Do you feel any film has ever captured the true horror and brutality of combat?

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I'd say Private Ryan definitely does, but surely other films do?

I was really impressed with the Omaha Beach Scene, despite a few avoidable goofs, like the Nazis' position relative to the beach, or the giant caltrops meant to overturn the American boats literally being backwards. But still, the sheer brutality of it all, the gore and pain. There's a very ironic tone (strange despite the rest of the film being about how great America is), like when they kill the Czechs by mistake then laugh about it, or when the medic gets shot in the leg, or when the officer dicking about has his face blown off. The most ironic is definitely when one man is shot in the helmet, takes it off, shocked, and then another bullets slams into his skull.

It's something very hollywoodian for people to get a slash on the arm and die from it. Real humans can go through some pretty horrific stuff, including having half their brain bashed out, legs and arms cut off, throat slit, and still go on fighting (for more or less time, of course a slit throat gives you about ten seconds before you pass out, but imagine the sheer horror of fighting an opponent who has two litters of blood spewing out of his throat like a whistling tap). Most medieval casualties seem to have been from bleeding out on the ground, or being trampled in one way or another. I mean, we can survive decapitation for at least a couple of seconds (most scientists seem to think around 14 seconds, with most of those unconscious to be fair), for god's sake. Boromir in LOTR got the equivalent of a scab on his knee. No way would that do as much damage as it did to him. In the novels, he dies from a whole volley of them, and he still lives on for a while to utter a few last words to Aragorn, which is pretty much realistic.

There's a very good account of Medieval combat about Don Pero Niño, who was shot through the gorget, and then in the face (through the nose). He kept on fighting, and received several deep slashes to the head, and he had so much adrenaline his wounds are described as "minor annoyances". He went on to live another sixty years.
The visby skeletons also show that people were so scared they fracture their own teeth while clenching their jaw. It's also often said people could bite off their own tongue in battle.
 
My father had his fair share of first hand experience in combat, and while he said movies get some aspects right, the limitations of the medium prevent it from "capturing" the horror of combat.  Film's a visual and auditory medium, and while the visuals of war are horrific, he said it wasn't the worst part.  Films also don't capture how Earth-shattering-ly loud is it.  You need to be able to hear what the characters are saying, and you can't blow out the audience's ear drums, so movies don't scratch how loud it is.  Noisy, but not loud (there's a difference). 

He said the worst part was the feeling, and sometimes the smell.  He described bullets whizzing past him as "angry bees".  He said no film captured the feeling of mortality you get when you hear the sound of bullet going by your head.  I mean, you are watching it from a comfy chair.  Nor does it capture the smell.  He said human gore has a metallic smell to it.  He also described what burning humans smelled like. 

That's combat.  He also said movies mainly pay lip-service to the ennui, while not "selling it".  Which is a big part of warfare.

It's similar for a lot of subjects that way.  Movies capture sights and sounds, but not feeling.  What's it feel like to skydive?  Going skydiving, movies can't tell you.  What's sex like?  No movie, book, magazine, porn, can let you experience it.  You just have to have sex to know.
 
The movie Alexander, as flawed as it is, has a scene in the extended cut, right after the battle of Gaugamela, it showcases all the wounded screaming in agony while their comrades are walking among them, giving the lost causes the thrust of mercy.

In the end, it pans out to show a massive field of corpses left on the battlefield while stating how Alexander, age 25, was now ruler of all.

I think it is properly done, it really throws the viewer back after like 10 minutes of epic war glorification.
 
In terms of melee combat I seem to remember Valhalla Rising being suitably brutal and horrific. Can't recall how realistic it was though, been a fair while.
 
The sauna scene in Cronenberg's Eastern Promises is a pretty unapologetic knife fight. All the hits and the grapples are believably choreographed, and the cuts and stabs are horrifying. And seeing Viggo Mortensen's genitalia is sure to please you sick classicists.
 
Well, you might want to consider visiting documenting reality.  Quite disturbing, takes a lot of getting used to.  You'll see vids of actual war footage usually captured on mobile phones and all. 
 
A little different perspective, but this is also a pretty neat piece of fiction which gives people a lot to think about. This one is called "Apocalypse", and it's from player-recorded in-game footage from the game, "Tota War:Attila" by Creative Studios.

https://youtu.be/_vcb7wNYpkM

Of course, it's a game, so a lot of the factors and strategies, tactics are exaggerated, but the point of this film would be the long first person view sequence which shows pretty much what a mere soldier would see in the battle field. From this this perspective, a lot of the questions are answered in regards to why certain battles went that way.

Clearly, when you are a soldier standing inside an army, you don't get to see the field from this nice, overhead view we're mostly familiar of, that kindly explains where every combat unit, both yours and theirs, are.

Often the battle lines are stretched over a kilometer in width, especially in battles where armies comprised of tens of thousands of soldiers clash. If it is truly an epic-scale battle, the fights could be spread over many kilometers in distance with multiple armies maneuvering.


So imagine if you are a mere soldier, standing within formation. At least the frontline units get to see what's happening.

You? All you see is the back of your buddy's head. All sides. Everything is obscured, you don't know what's happening, all you do is do what they tell you to do. As you march forward, all sorts of foul smell starts reeking, little at first, then more and more. The field of vision is even more clouded with smoke and dust rising up here and there.

Then in the distance, you hear some kind of a ruckus. The rows in front of you start to stammer, the noises get louder, and then you see it, the mouth of the meat-grinder, and without even the time to ponder about it, it's your row's turn to start charging.


**shudders** 





https://youtu.be/_vcb7wNYpkM
 
Path of Glory captured the reality of war, not combat specifically, though.
 
Here's a sample...

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/u-s-helicopter-destroys-taliban-running-hiding-next-tree-162541/


Black and white, looks like some infrared camera...


This one looks good


http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f166/combat-cams-reveal-how-islamists-temporarily-broke-aleppo-siege-168125/
 
Thanks everyone! I knew there'd be more out there.

Apocalypse was especially haunting, blindly walking along in a chaotic environment, no badass music, only the sounds of dying men and the song of steel.
 
Wow that one with the Islamists is really interesting. Did you notice the camera guy in the beginning had a left foot sandal on his right foot?
 
Dystopian said:
Wow that one with the Islamists is really interesting. Did you notice the camera guy in the beginning had a left foot sandal on his right foot?

I've done that before. Am I as dumb as ISIS?
 
:sad: I was meaning to point out the visible lack of equipment the typical ISIS grunt has.
 
Dystopian said:
:sad: I was meaning to point out the visible lack of equipment the typical ISIS grunt has.

Oh right, thought you were mocking him for putting his sandals on the wrong feet. Sorry.
 
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