Culture of Sturgia

Culture of Sturgia

  • Kievan Rus + mini fraction of the varangians (vikings)

    Votes: 101 39.9%

  • Mix of Kievan Rus and Vikings

    Votes: 87 34.4%

  • Vikings

    Votes: 18 7.1%

  • I do not care

    Votes: 47 18.6%
  • Total voters
    253

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SturgiaStrong said:
Not really. There's nothing ambiguous in Rus for non-marginal historical community. And Sturgia resembles that fine, currently.
People, who complain, just want another Vaegirs
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studying history playing computer games? and you are not blinking?  :lol:
 
NUQAR'S Kentucky "Nuqar" James XXL said:
People from former soviet countries: sturgia should have more Slavic influences
People who like the vikings: no
Taleworlds: we have no idea what the hell we are doing and are just slapping stuff together haphazardly
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This is totally happening haha

However in my opinion, Sturgia needs some swordsmen. Too much ax wielding troops.
 
Jurgen said:
I think no one complains. Just the question of Kievan Rus expected to be Slavic than what is visible in the Sturgia faction now. More like the Skellige of The Witcher 3.

But at some point I realized that this should not offend me. In any case, Kievan Rus is a Vikings for a Westerner. The gaming industry is just Viking fans. If there were no Vikings, now there would be much more debate about the Nords than about the Slavs. I put up with the fact that this game is not about realism, it is a new world and the Calradia universe.

There is a good film on this subject, were the Vikings sail to the gardarika.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089322/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_4
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This movie actually looks interesting,i am going to watch it.
To me it has more believable costumes then the Vikings TV show.
 
Svarogorije said:
This movie actually looks interesting,i am going to watch it.
To me it has more believable costumes then the Vikings TV show.
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Hulagu recently contacted me. He asked to share with him a list of films on this topic, but I do not have such a list. But ... Perhaps I will publish such a list here, for those who are interested in the culture of the Slavs and Varangians.

Mostly from the classics of cinema.
 
Igor of the Skolderbrotva said:
Many players want to play with the Nords and will find this experience better at the Sturgia faction... but they still are Kievan Rus!
The solution for those players, without needing a DLC, is simple: In the Sturgia faction we have the mercenary brotherhood of Skolderbrotva based on  Jómsvíkingar. For greater immersion and provide a fully viking gaming experience for those who want to play with the Nords, developers can work this minor faction better. First, Berserkir and Úlfhéðnar units are Víkingar, then these units can be moved to Skolderbrotva army tree. Second, maintain the brotherhood as a group of Norse people who settled in Sturgian lands and characterizes them accordingly.
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I agree with this, Taleworlds should make a clearer distinction between the Nord elements within Sturgia, and the native Sturgian. Just mixing them together is nonsensical.
 
Androme1 said:
Igor of the Skolderbrotva said:
Many players want to play with the Nords and will find this experience better at the Sturgia faction... but they still are Kievan Rus!
The solution for those players, without needing a DLC, is simple: In the Sturgia faction we have the mercenary brotherhood of Skolderbrotva based on  Jómsvíkingar. For greater immersion and provide a fully viking gaming experience for those who want to play with the Nords, developers can work this minor faction better. First, Berserkir and Úlfhéðnar units are Víkingar, then these units can be moved to Skolderbrotva army tree. Second, maintain the brotherhood as a group of Norse people who settled in Sturgian lands and characterizes them accordingly.
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I agree with this, Taleworlds should make a clearer distinction between the Nord elements within Sturgia, and the native Sturgian. Just mixing them together is nonsensical.
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Yes, and that will bring the best of both worlds.
Many players want to play with the Nords, I want to play with the Nords and Skolderbrotva is enough for that.

Sturgia is Vaegir, Nords are Nords!
 
Svarogorije said:
This movie actually looks interesting,i am going to watch it.
To me it has more believable costumes then the Vikings TV show.
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Way too much leather biker gear. But then Vikings have too much biker gear as well so you might be even right.
 
Jurgen said:
Svarogorije said:
This movie actually looks interesting,i am going to watch it.
To me it has more believable costumes then the Vikings TV show.
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Hulagu recently contacted me. He asked to share with him a list of films on this topic, but I do not have such a list. But ... Perhaps I will publish such a list here, for those who are interested in the culture of the Slavs and Varangians.

Mostly from the classics of cinema.
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Again, thanks for your attention. It is really difficult to find movies such as you share yesterday. As I have very little humble collection of Eastern European and Soviet made historical movies, I would like to know other movies or documentaries you or others share.
 
Androme1 said:
Igor of the Skolderbrotva said:
Many players want to play with the Nords and will find this experience better at the Sturgia faction... but they still are Kievan Rus!
The solution for those players, without needing a DLC, is simple: In the Sturgia faction we have the mercenary brotherhood of Skolderbrotva based on  Jómsvíkingar. For greater immersion and provide a fully viking gaming experience for those who want to play with the Nords, developers can work this minor faction better. First, Berserkir and Úlfhéðnar units are Víkingar, then these units can be moved to Skolderbrotva army tree. Second, maintain the brotherhood as a group of Norse people who settled in Sturgian lands and characterizes them accordingly.
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I agree with this, Taleworlds should make a clearer distinction between the Nord elements within Sturgia, and the native Sturgian. Just mixing them together is nonsensical.
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But they do from what I’ve seen. The multiplayer classes of huskarl and Ulfhednar are described as being adventurers and mercenaries from the North.
 
Not all of it, but the good part. Makes sense if you take into account the possibility that Nords rule over natives (which, again, seems to be the case judging by their heraldry), forming Sturgian state. I actually like the idea, the Nords mixed with natives and became Vaegirs, eventually (successfully) standing against next wave of invading Nords. Makes for an interesting lore.

Huskarls are no longer part of the main troop tree, they're probably part of system mentioned in past devblogs, where you need to recruit 'elite' faction troops from special NPCs (the example was that you're required to befriend nobles to recruit squires that can be upgraded into knights). This again makes me think that big portion of Sturgian upper class is made out of Nords (which kinda fits into Warband lore, as it mentions Nords being given coastal lands in exchange for their services to Empire).

All in all, I like the idea and it sounds surprisingly cohesive with the established lore. I think people should focus more on Calradia and less on trying to prove the true origins of Rus. I'd still prefer Berserkers to be moved to the elite troop tree, something like 'Nord Warrior' upgrading either into Berserker or Huskarl, but that's just me. I'd really not like Nord influences being completely removed from them, especially if the suggestion is to keep them exclusive to minor faction that doesn't even have to have any loyalty toward Kingdom of Sturgia (last time we saw minor-major factions dynamic it was complete opposite, actually).
 
Do not look here said:
I'd still prefer Berserkers to be moved to the elite troop tree, something like 'Nord Warrior' upgrading either into Berserker or Huskarl, but that's just me.
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On one hand it makes no historical sense to have berserkers and their ulfhednar variant in the main Strugian tree, as there is little possibility that these could have be recruited locally among population that was predominantly Slavic. There is also no mention of such "warriors" anywhere in Russian sources.

On the other hand it makes sense that they are separate branch of a main melee soldier tree as "berserker" was a way of life choice basically. Or it would make sense if it would be Nordic tree -hence the first hand.
 
I would like sturgia warriors to have cape and shield.  :grin:
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Here I put together a whole Slavic cinema that I could remember. Different eras and times. Filmed by different countries and it is worth perceiving them as feature films. Which I could find with English subtitles, I added links. There are many more films, but I have not watched them. Check out Soviet films about Rus on Google and you will learn more. If I remember something else, I will add later.

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Trees Grow on the Stones Too (1985)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089322/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zll0akVfmo

Prince Vladimir (film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Vladimir_(film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457024/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqSBZ-FMzjs

Primary Rus film
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091876/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=holZxzBO08Q

An Ancient Tale: When the Sun Was a God
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0380726/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Ancient_Tale:_When_the_Sun_Was_a_God
https://easterneuropeanmovies.com/adventure/249-an-ancient-tale-when-the-sun-was-a-god.html

Yaroslav, A Thousand Years Ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Lord_(film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1647692/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=307f9ldhQUs

Legenda o Kolovrate
https://sovietmoviesonline.com/fantasy/723-legenda-o-kolovrate.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furious_(2017_film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6054874/

Aleksandr. Nevskaya bitva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_(2008_film)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1244496/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyyzKGZlPSQ

The Three Bogatyrs (Cartoon franchise)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Bogatyrs
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?companies=co0109502
The first three major films after which went the franchise of their overall participation.
https://sovietmoviesonline.com/cartoons/454-dobrynya-nikitich-i-zmey-gorynych.html
https://sovietmoviesonline.com/cartoons/456-ilya-muromec-i-solovey-razboynik.html
https://sovietmoviesonline.com/cartoons/455-alesha-popovich-i-tugarin-zmey.html

With Fire and Sword
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128378/?ref_=tt_sims_tt
https://easterneuropeanmovies.com/melodrama/150-with-fire-and-sword.html

Bohdan Khmelnytsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U5LmXCmyMM
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3374220/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohdan_Khmelnytsky

The Pagan Queen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pagan_Queen
https://www3.123movies.la/movie/the-pagan-queen-z071qry/watching.html

Yaroslavna, koroleva Frantsii
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078514/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1849&v=-_3MwoWEFvY

Wiedźmin (The Hexer or The Witcher in English)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hexer_(TV_series)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1070742/
 
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Sturgia to me is only a second in line of priority when it comes to having a clear concept inspiration. Battania is by far the first one that needs an overhaul, then only after couple of blank places comes Sturgia, since it seems a lot easier to fix visually.
 
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