Doofus
Sergeant
So...in my current playthrough (1.8.0) I chose Sturgian for my culture and joined the Northern Empire. I figured we would likely war them and I'd be awarded some of their towns/castles. 1st war was with the Southern Empire and I was awarded Phycaon. OK, cool. Not really the area I wanted, but nice to be awarded a toen right at the start. We warred the Khuzaits and pretty much had a draw. Next war with Southern Empire was awarded Jogurys Castle, but since I was having problems with Phycaon, it was taken back before I could get there. 3rd war with Southern Empire I was given Jogurys again and this time I was able to enforce & keep it. So, move forward...
I finally have control of the territories I own and enough influence to raise armies. We declare war on the Sturgians. Good this is my area. I immediately raise an army and take Tyal. 8-( Its awarded to Phalentes. I suppose thats understandable, since they also have Epinosa Castle & Urikskala Castle. Oh well, I'll keep trying, While still warring Sturgia the Khuzaits declare on us. So I proceed to take Dinar Castle, I defend Kaysar & Baltakhand (both Phalentes holdings), I take Tepes & Makeb. All of which are given to Phalentes. Yes, I understand they have stuff bordering those territories, but they have a total of 3 lords and have been given 2 towns and 6 castles. I have led the successful defense of a town and castle and taken another town and 2 castles, all of which they have been given. The Khuzaits offer peace. Screw this. I intentionally wait until Khuzait has taken Tepes Castle back before bringing up the vote, which, of course, is 100% in favor of peace.
The war is still continuing with Sturgia, so...while the other lords lost Mecalovia Castle, I go to assault some Sturgia stuff again. On the way there, Vladiv castle is taken & awarded to Serapadis clan. Good. at least its not the Ph..king Phalentes clan. So I consider taking Sibir, but decide its probably considered next to Vladiv & they'd just give it to Serapadis clan again. Varnovopal it is. I take it and its awarded to Serapadis (sigh). One more try. I hit Sibir. Oh good, its not given to Serapadis or even Phalentes. It goes to Argoros. Screw this. Time for peace.
So...Phalentes has 7 fiefs for 3 lords, Serapadis has 3 fiefs for 4 lords, and Argoros has 6 fiefs for 9 lords. I led the army that defeated 2 attacks on our fiefs and took 4 towns and 2 castles. While the other lords took one castle and lost one castle. I got nothing eve though I have the correct culture to hold 3 of the 4 towns and I only have 2 holdings for my 10 members (although I'll admit that I don't think the 6 companions should be listed as members). The Bozos who the towns were given to will probably have trouble holding on to them and we'll have to repeatedly take them back from rebels.
Is native culture not considered in the holdings consideration when differing culture takes a massive -3 hit to loyalty?
Is the concept of who led the army that took the holding not considered in the nominations for the holdings? I was nominated in about 1/2 the holdings, but using as much influence as allowed I couldn't get close to taking anything. Usually I was nominated with 0% even though I'm married to one of Lucon's daughters and my brother is married to another. (In the case of the brother, Nozhon, Lucon sent me a marriage proposal for Zoana while I was still a mercenary for his kingdom. I hadn't even asked him).
I was given Phycaon because (I think) it was the first holding available. But when I was given Jogurys Castle (twice) I had no connection to it. It wasn't next to my holding, I wasn't involved in taking it in any way, it isn't part of my native culture. I feel like the game INTENTIONALLY doesn't want to give me something I could handle without problems.
I finally have control of the territories I own and enough influence to raise armies. We declare war on the Sturgians. Good this is my area. I immediately raise an army and take Tyal. 8-( Its awarded to Phalentes. I suppose thats understandable, since they also have Epinosa Castle & Urikskala Castle. Oh well, I'll keep trying, While still warring Sturgia the Khuzaits declare on us. So I proceed to take Dinar Castle, I defend Kaysar & Baltakhand (both Phalentes holdings), I take Tepes & Makeb. All of which are given to Phalentes. Yes, I understand they have stuff bordering those territories, but they have a total of 3 lords and have been given 2 towns and 6 castles. I have led the successful defense of a town and castle and taken another town and 2 castles, all of which they have been given. The Khuzaits offer peace. Screw this. I intentionally wait until Khuzait has taken Tepes Castle back before bringing up the vote, which, of course, is 100% in favor of peace.
The war is still continuing with Sturgia, so...while the other lords lost Mecalovia Castle, I go to assault some Sturgia stuff again. On the way there, Vladiv castle is taken & awarded to Serapadis clan. Good. at least its not the Ph..king Phalentes clan. So I consider taking Sibir, but decide its probably considered next to Vladiv & they'd just give it to Serapadis clan again. Varnovopal it is. I take it and its awarded to Serapadis (sigh). One more try. I hit Sibir. Oh good, its not given to Serapadis or even Phalentes. It goes to Argoros. Screw this. Time for peace.
So...Phalentes has 7 fiefs for 3 lords, Serapadis has 3 fiefs for 4 lords, and Argoros has 6 fiefs for 9 lords. I led the army that defeated 2 attacks on our fiefs and took 4 towns and 2 castles. While the other lords took one castle and lost one castle. I got nothing eve though I have the correct culture to hold 3 of the 4 towns and I only have 2 holdings for my 10 members (although I'll admit that I don't think the 6 companions should be listed as members). The Bozos who the towns were given to will probably have trouble holding on to them and we'll have to repeatedly take them back from rebels.
Is native culture not considered in the holdings consideration when differing culture takes a massive -3 hit to loyalty?
Is the concept of who led the army that took the holding not considered in the nominations for the holdings? I was nominated in about 1/2 the holdings, but using as much influence as allowed I couldn't get close to taking anything. Usually I was nominated with 0% even though I'm married to one of Lucon's daughters and my brother is married to another. (In the case of the brother, Nozhon, Lucon sent me a marriage proposal for Zoana while I was still a mercenary for his kingdom. I hadn't even asked him).
I was given Phycaon because (I think) it was the first holding available. But when I was given Jogurys Castle (twice) I had no connection to it. It wasn't next to my holding, I wasn't involved in taking it in any way, it isn't part of my native culture. I feel like the game INTENTIONALLY doesn't want to give me something I could handle without problems.