Battlefield V - November 20, 2018

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Terco_Viejo said:
BIGGER Kentucky James XXL said:
Silverstein said:
marginal division

The majority of the free french army after 1940 was African. There were so many African divisions that the Americans and British sent spanish soldiers to parade in Paris to make sure the liberation appeared all white european.

OK. were Senegalese shooters in French army but don't put the Spaniards in the same sack of cannon fodder. I hope what you're saying is by ignorance, mate. I invite you to read about those who formed "La Novena".

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The first Spaniards who entered General De Gaulle's Free France army did so in Tunis in December 1942, fighting against Marshal Rommel's troops. Many of them had been in concentration camps in Vichy France or in work battalions in Africa. After months of arduous struggles in that region, on May 7, 1943 they conquered the port city of Bizerta, their last action in Africa.

The armoured Leclerc Division was born in May 1943 under the command of General Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque in Central African Chad, acting in support of Free France. It was composed of 16,000 men, of whom at the beginning of 1943 some 2,000 were Spanish. After Free France took control of North Africa, the Spanish Republicans integrated into the French troops had the option of choosing between the Leclerc Division (already a veteran of Free France) or General Henri Giraud's forces (made up of numerous Vichy loyalists who had recently changed sides). Faced with this situation, the vast majority of Spaniards chose the Leclerc unit. Many of these Spaniards believed that after taking France, General De Gaulle would help them to put an end to Franco.

The Leclerc Division was officially named "2nd Armoured Division" and its 9th Company was better known as "La Nueve" or "La Novena", with French captain Raymond Dronne in command, made up mostly of 150 Spanish Republicans. Most of the Spaniards integrated there were socialists, anarchists, from the Catalan POUM or apolitical hostiles to Franco, with a few communists, while others simply arrived as deserters from Moroccan and Algerian concentration camps.

The Leclerc Division, with the 9th Company, moved from Morocco to Great Britain. On 6 June 1944 the Normandy Disembarkation took place, and although some Spaniards dispersed in other allied units participated, the 9th Company remained on British soil. Finally on 4 August the 9th Company landed on Utah beach (Madelaine beach), north of Carentan Bay in Normandy. The Leclerc Division, counting on "The Nine", was part of the III American Army led by the famous General George Patton.

The first light confrontations that the Spanish Republicans had against the Wehrmacht, were developed in places like Rennes, Le Mans, Château-Gontier and a very outstanding role next to the American soldiers in Alençon. On August 7, the 9th Company suffered its first death in combat, the Spaniard Andres Garcia. On August 12, the Allies were surprised by the war experience of the 9th Company, when the Spaniards captured 129 German prisoners in Eccouché.

The city of Paris revolted against the Germans on August 20, 1944, and Charles de Gaulle insisted before the supreme allied command that troops of Free France come to liberate the French capital before the Wehrmacht decided to fight in the streets and destroy fundamental urban structures (bridges over the Seine, water networks, public buildings) as had already been ordered by Adolf Hitler.


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Firstly, the American command, led by Dwight D. Eisenhower, preferred to attack massively the German troops concentrated north of Paris and delay the conquest of that city. In spite of this, De Gaulle ordered his troops to take advantage of the revolt of the French Resistance in order to take Paris and the Leclerc Division was chosen for this purpose. Precisely on this occasion the 9th Spanish Company, the reconnaissance unit of the Leclerc Division, is the first allied unit to enter the city.

At 21:22 on the night of August 24, 1944, the 9th Company burst into the center of Paris through the Porte d'Italie. Upon entering the Town Hall square, the Spanish semioruga "Ebro" fired the first shots at a large number of German rifles and machine guns. Then the civilians who went out to the street singing La Marseillaise, to their surprise noted that the first liberating soldiers were all Spanish.

After the seizure of Paris, the 9th Company left Paris on September 8. They participated in several campaigns in northern France and Germany, the most important being on May 5, 1945 when they participated in the seizure of the Eagle's Nest, Adolf Hitler's final refuge in Berchtesgaden.

After the end of World War II, 35 had been the Republicans of La Novena who had died in combat, and 97 were wounded. Only 16 of them were still active in peacetime. Some of them, after the war, decided to remain in the French Army. Most of them rejoined French civilian life. Although De Gaulle paid tribute to them, they were not rewarded for their help with the material and soldiers they wanted in order to overthrow Franco's regime. So they all had to stay in France, not being able to return to their homeland.

It was not until August 2004 that the city of Paris paid an appropriate tribute to the Spaniards of the Leclerc Division who had contributed so much to their liberation sixty years earlier. For this purpose, a commemorative plaque was unveiled next to the Seine River on Quai Henri IV. On August 25, 2012, during the celebration of the 68th anniversary of the Liberation of Paris, a republican flag participated in this event as a recognition of the role of La Novena in the liberation of the city, this fact being recognized in the speech of the President of the French Republic, François Hollande. And last year, the kings of Spain, Philip VI and Letizia Ortiz, visited in Paris the park that was created in tribute to La Nueve.

In Spain, institutional tributes have not yet been paid to these heroes of anti-fascist resistance, a shame.

Honor and glory always to "La Novena".

That was quite the informative rebuttal on my behalf, thanks. In all honesty I'd forgotten about this thread's existence...

Terco_Viejo said:
:lol: Ok I see... the next time I'll post a text wall put me a "I didn't read lol" or this gif... I'll thank you.
I take notes Almalexia=troll...

You're too nice. Almalexia=James' ineffectual damage control (another Nazi trolled'd amiright)

Good game
 
BIGGER Kentucky James XXL said:
What Terco posted was almost completely irrelevant to what I posted. I'm not sure that counts as a "rebuttal" since both our posts are true at the same time with no contradiction.

Did you see the video I played next? Keep an eye on it (2:00 min)... your subject comes up.

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everything's fine, everything's all right.
Look at the positive side, you've learned something new  :iamamoron:
 
Replying to someone's written post with a video is poor form. I know you wrote a lot but I have got to agree that what is  actually here does not really concern Jacobs/Kentucky's post.

Ninjas.
 
Terco's point was that the Spanish soldiers in Paris weren't just brought in to parade after the liberation. His video was relevant for that point. He doesn't really go into Jacob's main point though.
 
BIGGER Kentucky James XXL said:
My original post was about how the majority of free french soldiers in the liberation of France were African colonial troops. The video says this too. I'm not sure what we're arguing about.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Kentucky my apologies, I got the patriotic spirit out of my mouth.
I just wanted to point out that the Spanish troops were not "sent" with arguments as well commented Captured Joe. At no time I have denied your assertion, but I agree in its entirety because it is true.

Read this Silverstein:

After the Franco-German armistice in 1940, the collaborators of the Vichy pro-German regime controlled these colonies (North Africa, West Africa, Equatorial Africa and Madagascar).  This meant that the native troops, commanded by French officers, were not fighting the anti-Hitler coalition.  Rather, they gradually followed General de Gaulle's 1940 call "For a Free France.  By the end of the war, more than half a million Africans from the French colonies were fighting on De Gaulle's side.  At that time, they were up to 50% and 60% of the soldiers at the front.

My apologies to everyone who has disturbed this little parentesis that I have carried out...
I am a ninja Duh?

 
Ninja/s/d is an internet expression for when someone else posted before you with a similar statement/argument to your own :wink:

I.e. in the above case Ninja referred to Kentucky.
 
Captured Joe said:
And in more important questions, shouldn't it be Tercio Viejo?

Yes and no. The name Terco_Viejo is a Spanish grammar trick alluding to two references:

In the avatar appears the portrait of "Arturo Perez Reverte" (link) a writer, journalist and member of the royal academy of the Spanish language who has written several books among them "The adventures of Captain Alatriste" (link). In this series of books, through a historical approach, Alatriste's adventures and life within the Tercios are narrated.

"Terco viejo" the literal translation into English would be stubborn old... because they are adjectives inerent to my person.  :iamamoron:

Duh, I already knew what the use of the word "ninja" was, I was only joking. I already said that I would need to use the emoticon ( :iamamoron:) to call a joke/irony according to phrases in my comments.
 
There must be a precise reason why the character designers had the germans wear their pouches horizontal on their chest instead of vertical on their belts. Or why the brits have M1942 US paratroopers uniforms instead of their own paratroopers uniforms - way cooler uniforms, BTW. I mean, it's not like they haven't done any research for the game, or they couldn't have some cool looking uniform and loadout with some historical root
- like in BF1, with all those cloaks flying around and stuff -, it would be intellectually dishonest to believe so. Not that is gamebreaking or MUH IMMERSION, but I'd be curious to know. There's a lot of little cosmetic things like this that could have been better without offending or excluding anyone. Call of Duty WWII had far more believable models, for example.
 
Those German horizontal pouches remind me of the Italian marine commandos, didn't they wear their pouches like that? Maybe they just want to reuse them later for the Avanti Savoia II DLC.

Also I noticed how one of the sniper rifles is the M95 Mannlicher (straight out of BF1, obviously), which AFAIK was only used during WW2 by Hungarian Border Guards and probably by 2nd line units of Bulgaria (their main rifle was the shorter Stützen version) and maybe Yugoslavia... although I doubt these countries will get any attention in the future and the gun is only in there because lazyness!
 
F.F.C._fritz said:
There must be a precise reason why the character designers had the germans wear their pouches horizontal on their chest instead of vertical on their belts. Or why the brits have M1942 US paratroopers uniforms instead of their own paratroopers uniforms - way cooler uniforms, BTW. I mean, it's not like they haven't done any research for the game, or they couldn't have some cool looking uniform and loadout with some historical root - like in BF1, with all those cloaks flying around and stuff -, it would be intellectually dishonest to believe so.
:evil:
 
If they did their research, why is the G43 exclusively loaded via stripper clips? :???: I know it could be, but the two main differences between the G41(W) and G43 were the gas port+piston system and detachable box magazines.

Side note, Battlefield still has absolute garbage netcode. It retains its position as king of peeker's advantage. I feel TTK is long for me (seriously, it takes 3 headshots with a Bren, 37 damage each), but short for everyone else. Often I only see/hear a couple of shots from my opponents before I die, which doesn't match up with my own reported damage output. It's gotta be a sync issue.

Also, all of the MGs have the same damage. Bren, MG 34 & 42, Lewis gun, etc. Rate of fire is the only differentiator for dps. :roll:

Love me some Bren gun though.
 
BenKenobi said:
F.F.C._fritz said:
There must be a precise reason why the character designers had the germans wear their pouches horizontal on their chest instead of vertical on their belts. Or why the brits have M1942 US paratroopers uniforms instead of their own paratroopers uniforms - way cooler uniforms, BTW. I mean, it's not like they haven't done any research for the game, or they couldn't have some cool looking uniform and loadout with some historical root - like in BF1, with all those cloaks flying around and stuff -, it would be intellectually dishonest to believe so.
:evil:

Yeah...except for the austro-hungarian.  :lol:
Pretty lazy work there. The italians, though, despite "Republique Francaise RF" logo on their Adrian Helmets are nicely done. I like seeing their short cloaks flying around, they actually had them - maybe not while charging the No-man's-land.

@Captured Joe

Yes, in the single player there are indeed examples of german wearing the italian samurai vest, but in multiplayer I think  it looks different. They also have a skin with the rifle strips pouches put in the same odd way. Again, nothing crazy, but they could have added some "normal" german uniform  :lol:

Also, rare guns, ok, I understand, I'm used to it, but having the Volkssturmgewehr as the first weapon ever for the assault class seems a bit...odd. I mean, it's WWII, there's a lot more choice, you don't HAVE to include late war weird stuff so fast :lol:
 
Anyway, the game plays really different from BF1 - and no, you wouldn't notice just from watching youtube videos.

You die much faster and you can't go ramboing alone like in BF1 - if you do, you are sure to die much faster. The weapons are now much accurate, maybe too much. Hip fire seems pretty nerfed; people tend to stay hidden (since it's not that easy to spot) and group together both in offensive and defensive situations. Team work is apparently really encouraged and you're better off sticking with your pals - even if sometimes my team's medics or my squad mates don't care much to, say, risk their lives to revive me. I always do, instead and it always feels like I'm Desmond Doss or something.

The revive mechanic, which triggers most of the time - because, most of the time, one doesn't die instantly - far from being fast and superficial as it is in BF1, while still gamey (it's a game, FFS) is instead very dramatic and depressing in comparison. Imagine the scene, you are bleeding out on the ground and you try to call for help when suddenly you realize all your team-mates are dead or dying too and the enemy had overrun your position and you understand you are really going to die after all. Or a medic start to tend your wounds - it takes 3-4 seconds, which are an eternity in a game like this - but is instead cut down by enemy fire and starts bleeding to death at your side. I always thought something like that could have been cool in the semi-simulators like Red Orchestra/Rising Storm for even greater atmosphere, but still...

If you are dying in enemy territory with none of your mates around because you just had to go rambo, you can push the JUST BLEED FASTER AND DIE button, which is now pretty...tone deaf. One time, you feel the drama of your virtual avatar calling for mama, the next one, oh, you just don't care to lose 10 seconds. Meh.

Talking about team work, is nice to spawn, from match  to match, in the same squad you started to play in. You start to care a bit for that guy that saved your skin in another match.
 
So, 30 weapons in total is enough? Why no one playing BFV talking about how much less weapon in this game compared to other Battlefield titles?

Back in Battlefield 4, just support class had access to 45 different weapons -including sidearms- at launch but BFV only has 30 weapons for a whole game -at launch-. Sure they will be more content added, like American DLC, Russian DLC etc but how much more weapon can they add?

Can it be 30? Like, it'd make 100% increase in weaponry but 60 different weapons are still not a catch for BF4s inventory. Questions, questions...
 
Cioss Julius U.X. said:
So, 30 weapons in total is enough? Why no one playing BFV talking about how much less weapon in this game compared to other Battlefield titles?

Back in Battlefield 4, just support class had access to 45 different weapons -including sidearms- at launch but BFV only has 30 weapons for a whole game -at launch-. Sure they will be more content added, like American DLC, Russian DLC etc but how much more weapon can they add?

Can it be 30? Like, it'd make 100% increase in weaponry but 60 different weapons are still not a catch for BF4s inventory. Questions, questions...

Potentially (POTENTIALLY) they can add tons of weapons, if they are going to use the Tides of War things properly. It's the first time I'm following a "service" game, so I don't know, I'm probably a tad naive. Personally, I always read that BF1 has not enough weapons - meh, they look more than enough for me. Also, I tend to use the same ones, Hellriegel if I'm assaulting, scoped 1917 if supporting, maybe some more variety depending on the map if I'm using scout and...whatever, who uses medic anyway?  :lol:
 
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