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For some odd reason, I never updated PoP past 3.51.

And now I see this.

It's like an early Christmas present!

That's perfect, thanks!

Same thing happened to me. You do get two perks points when you hit 275, choose legendary smith and you still have one, then after you go up more in smithing you have the siege espert on top of legendary smith (which you can't see anymore) and can select it. Now you are no longer showing an available perk point. I wonder if they are both active, if it's a visual bug.

I started my game in 1.5.0.

Cool beans, thanks guys.

Another missing feature I remembered is going to the castle after winning a tourney and dedicating your victory to a lady of the court for a relations boost.

It will be nice when you can have personal and clan relations, create a Romeo/Juliet situation among others.

Prophesy of Pendor was great, the mod I almost exclusively played. Saxondragon, the lead, was a professor of game design at a university in the midwest as I recall. Didn't he make a follow-up mod with his students as a course? I remember him planning to.

Brytenwalda was also fun and innovative, they were the guys that later made Viking Conquest. That was not Taleworlds. Brytenwalda was set in post-Arthuian and Roman Britain, and before cavalry was much of a thing, stand in the shield wall! I remember talking with Arnoldo on the forums, they were largely Portuguese historical reenactors iirc. Maybe why their stuff was so immersive.

I am one of those who has been playing M&B since there was M&B for thousands of hours. There was so much Taleworlds had to draw from either lore or gameplay not just from M&B and Warband but from the expansions and mods. The mods especially gave what barebones M&B has always lacked, immersion. I never went back to native Warband once the mods started rolling in.

With all of that to build from, Bannerlord almost feels like it started from scratch instead. I get no sense that there is much recognition or understanding of what players loved about those games and that it is going to find its way into Warband. And some of the more interesting features that Taleworlds had announced for Bannerlord don't seem to be happening either.

'New engine' doesn't cut it from that point of view. Also, while everyone is loving the new graphics, I find everybody I talk to looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Chunky.

Count me among those who would like to be given some reason for optimism, because I haven't much atm.

This is why as soon as mods like Prophesy of Pendor and Brytenwalda (by the same guys who wound up doing VC later) came out I never, ever, played vanilla Warband again.

Which is why I suspect the lack of immersion in the base game is a feature, not a bug.

Is anyone familiar with Kenshi? Here's a quick summary of the applicable mechanics as food for thought.

The armour mechanics include the notion of coverage (i.e. what % of the head a helmet covers) which would get to the point of gaps in the armour where no or reduced armour resistences apply. There is also the notion of layered coverage, so that if the arm coverage from my body armour is bypassed, then my gloves could stop it.

All weapons deal both cut and blunt damage, and all armour has cut and blunt resistance ratings. So armour with a 50% resistance negates 50% of that damage type. Blunt resistances are generally lower than cut on armour, especially light armour. Blunt weapons tend to do less overall damage but overcome resistance more easily.

In addition, the cut damage that is not resisted can be converted to blunt damage, because your helmet may have resisted the cut, but you still got your bell rung by something heavy. So armour has two cut modifiers, resistance (negates x% of cut damage) and efficiency (how efficiently it blocks the blunt conversion). So lighter armour may have decent cut resistance, but compared to heavy armour it doesn't absorb as much of the power of the blow and has much poorer cut efficiency. Also, the layered armour again applies, so the damage that made it through your main armour gets impacted by secondary or under armour.

The trade-off is that heavier armour impacts your combat stats, because it's harder to move around in or see in. There is also a weight encumbrance effect.

Weapons also have required abilities and skill levels to use properly, so you aren't using that big freaking two-hander to full effect if your strength is 3 and your two-hander skill is 10.

Woopzilla said:

The game should never force you to use a skill you have no interest in.

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+1

SmattlePattle said:

You are right. I wonder though, how much are these issues due to how constrained our character creation is? Like, with the organic leveling system would it be so bad if you had the choice to do a 100 leadership 0 combat skill character off the bat?

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Well, I would choose that everytime not for role play or play style reasons but because in the current system it's a real pain to level leadership as opposed to combat skills and then I could level up combat skills quickly for easy level gain.

Those options were meaningful in warband, because when you levelled you either upped your leadership or power strike for example, or those were trade-offs you made in character creation. They are not meaningful in the current system, and I think it would be difficult to make them meaningful in the current system.

Part of the problem is the way the levelling system works. If you're only levelling a few skills it's harder to gain as many levels or as quickly and therefore attribute and focus points.

It's kind of silly that you spend a lot of time off your horse to raise athletics enough to gain a level, or switch weapon classes around to raise them in order to help gain levels, but there it is.

Which is why endurance is a good stat to raise, it affects riding, athletics and smithing.

Don't underestimate smithing atm either. It's quick and painless skill points and money, especially when you unlock some of the components to make weapons that give silly gold and xp (the more they sell for the more xp you get form them). And despite the requirement levels, a lvl 1 smith can forge and gets the same benefits from forging a high skill weapon as a level 250 smith. Plus you get two perks that give you attribute/focus points.

Also don't forget that the more focus and attribute points you do put in the farther past your learning cap you can go. Using my smithing as an example, with end 7 (one of those from a smithing perk) and 5 focus points in smithing my learning cap is 210 but my smithing 278 and I'm still earning xp although only at an 0.65 rate.

So at the cost of 5 focus points I gained several levels (more earlier than later obviously) and therefore focus points, plus two attribute points (or one attribute point plus two focus if you choose a different perk). And the extra attribute points (I chose 1 end and 1 vig) helped raise caps on 5 other skills. Overall I'd say it's a good investment skill/level wise, especially early, and that's not even counting the actual smithing/refining aspect of things.

I just wait and check from time to time until the obscenely large bandit parties leave the hideout.