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Don't worry, you'll get back to it towards the end of your cultural cycle 

Xardob said:

Just after TSN and Oub win the 30 man WW celebration game. 

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Of course, "Blacker Death", an enormous extravaganza hosted by me, featuring several theatrical trailers (mostly created with The Movies and The Sims 3), an open-world map with hundreds of side-quests, items and sub-choices (incl. the material of the rope used for lynching and the forum background color). Ultimately this game surpasses the record breaking 1000-pages mark within the first 30 hours (half of the posts by the host), and replaces around 80% of its player base at least twice. Three people commit suicide over it, and Moose still won't talk to Gen X'ers, but it'll be LEGENDARY (within a small subsection of an obscure and outdated Internet-forum).



(sorry, Lupo  )

Moose! said:

Maybe Gen X is just a state of mind.

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I'm sure there must be somewhere a bit of light-heartedness in all the things you post, but I tip my hat, it sure doesn't come across 

Xardob said:

Big McLarge-Huge said:

That IS true, much to my dismay. Seems like I'm the only one going public here, but despite my cranky-old-man-ness, I'd like to think I'm rather well preserved 

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Well, it took almost ten years for my nationality to become public. I think it will be another ten for my age. 

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You mean you'll tell us at the launch-party of Bannerlord? Cool 

Latte Crappuccino? 

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fixed it for you. 

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It's a thing to be upset about for sure 

Xardob and I devised a challenge to end every line with the iamamoron-smiley, so far I'm doing good 

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It's on. 

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Xardob said:

Moose! said:

The fact that both of you seem to think I'm being "too serious" just reinforces all of my stereotypes about Gen X.

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I don't think my age is public knowledge anywhere. I'm not sure even Adaham knows the exact number. While I may appear to be a cranky old man, I might not actually be one.

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That IS true, much to my dismay. Seems like I'm the only one going public here, but despite my cranky-old-man-ness, I'd like to think I'm rather well preserved 

Moose! said:

Big McLarge-Huge said:

Moose! said:

The fact that both of you seem to think I'm being "too serious" just reinforces all of my stereotypes about Gen X.

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Told you already I'm a Xennial, but since you're so obsessed with Gen X...what are you? I always thought we're all about the same age (some a couple of years younger, maybe). Don't tell me you're a millenial with a judgmental attitude towards Gen X?   

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29, so firmly in the millennial camp. If you're not within a +/- 6 year age range, don't talk to me or my son ever again.

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That line of reasoning does indeed sound like you're a millenial 

On a serious note, where do you stand in the millenial camp that makes you hate Gen X (which I'm not) so much? Is it about something climate change related, or is it about socialism, or about Latte Frappuccino? 

Xardob and I devised a challenge to end every line with the iamamoron-smiley, so far I'm doing good 

Dark_Hamlet said:

I think demons would be more careful with what they write to avoid hostilities. You've been sincere in the way you express yourself so far so I'm almost sure you're innocent.

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I appreciate your acknowledgment of my sincerity, but let me be the first to tell you that this sincerity - as much as it is true - is no indicator of my allegiance in any way.

In the past I used to get along better with people when I was a villain, but now I basically always run into somebody who takes this stuff more serious than me and we fight, regardless of my role.

Moose! said:

The fact that both of you seem to think I'm being "too serious" just reinforces all of my stereotypes about Gen X.

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Told you already I'm a Xennial, but since you're so obsessed with Gen X...what are you? I always thought we're all about the same age (some a couple of years younger, maybe). Don't tell me you're a millenial with a judgmental attitude towards Gen X?   

Moose! said:

Dark_Hamlet said:

To clarify on my decision to vote for Moose:

He seems too eager to get someone, anyone, lynched. He seems very anxious and why would he be so anxious if he's innocent? Like he's hoping no one will point fingers at him if he's the one pointing first.

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See, I told you all he was innocent.

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Fair enough, re: meta.

While I did bold my reaction to the "lazy" thing to Soot, I'm not really upset about any of this, don't worry. I was just trying to be polite because sometimes new players can be touchy and easily scared away. Your last postings have made it clear, that you don't, and that there's no need to treat you with special gloves. Good, I like that.

That also means, that there's no need to unvote you, because frankly there's something in your totally valid defense, that gives me *enter preferred explanation that sounds like more than it is*, and so my vote stays. 

SootShade said:

Well, I'm gonna be lazy (and playing Pathfinder still right now) and say that I'm not reading that right now. However, having briefly skimmed it, I will say that I probably still don't like what you are saying!

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That's fair enough. Enjoy your lazyness and keep up the good work of overcoming it and making up stuff out of hot air. You're the hero this game needs! 

SootShade said:

Honestly, I don't know where to even start. Everything?

And yes, his speculation about about me/you/Arch3r was lazy, since it doesn't seem to include any effort into distinguishing which one of us is the villain. Abandoning that idea completely to just 'lynch lurker' isn't any better either, and hanging the vote where he'd left it. In total, I don't see any effort to actually catch a wolf anywhere in that post. I'll consider compromising once it looks like we are heading to a lynch, but this is the stage where I want to find the wolves instead, where as Adaham seems to have decided to just skip that stage.

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Simple. You're still trying. I kinda gave up. I'm like a high-culture towards the end of its cultural cycle: totally missing the necessary vitality to come up with anything remotely creative, but referring mechanically to its old traditions. I'm in a frozen state of cultural development, waiting to fade either into obscurity, or be overrun by barbarians (the latter would be an apt description of how it felt to play the championship on that other site). As each culture, my hunting, too, has been most healthy when I decided to stick with a method and run with it. As is inevitable with all cultures (and hunters), there is a time of reformation, also known as a "middle crisis" (not to mistake with a midlife crisis, not there yet), in which other elements, that so far have been suppressed, take over. Maybe Neoxardobism was something like that for me, who knows. This contrary movement is a form of degeneration of the original myth of the culture/hunter. The final state is one, in which the culture/hunter has returned to an equilibrium, a synthesis of all those methods. It is closer to reality, however unable to create coherent culture/hunting. For that to work, the culture/hunter needs to be slightly lopsided.

I know this might sound like a ton of bullsh!t to you, and I know it sorta doesn't belong here. It is, however, an honest assessment of where I'm at with playing WW. I still like it, I still like going through the motions, but if I don't find my footing early on, I find it very tedious to force myself to analyse something THAT I KNOW I COULD BE ANALYSING JUST AS WELL THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Last game I went completely silly to begin with, doing a Whoopin-impression. That was fun, but not seriously a lot of hunting in that, except that I tried making a page 1 prediction and trying to apply some pressure that went nowhere. Day 2 Jock did his best to remind me of my old instincts, going through the motions, so I caught on and tried it again. I was sincere about that, as demonstrated by my role. In the end we were both innocent.

So what does that tell us? It tells me in any case what I thought for a long time...that it's all pretty much bs, and so I'm looking at it from a meta-perspective. That perspective tells me, that if you get rid of active players, instead of lurkers, first, you'll have a problem in the endgame. That is empirical knowledge, based on effing 13 years of doing this here on the forum. It also tells me, that there is only so much you can do on day 1. And as I've stated earlier, due to the different rules to begin the day with, my methods to do my usual thing on day 1 were mostly invalidated.

If you expect me to wade through a ton of back and forth between Archer and Soot to ultimately decide, that I can't know for sure, and that it's better to have both of them around rather than more inactive players like Dark_Hamlet or Vieira (or even me), then I'm gonna have to disappoint you. I know already where I'm gonna land on this, and I'm not gonna waste my time trying to pretend it's otherwise.

So you might hate the message I'm giving you, and you might say - rightfully so - that I'm not giving you a lot to go on about me, all that is right. But I think I'm either far more disillusioned than you guys, or more honest, because I'm not sugarcoating my stupid decisions with some pretend-hunting. Or I'm actually both, which seems the most likely to me.

That being said, I'm not blaming your efforts. Good job, keep it up. It's a real joy to see people do some hunting when they still believe in it, and I mean this sincerely! As I said earlier, I think Moose could dial down the intensity a bit, but other than that, I'm happy to see people that still go for it. I'm literally just happy to hang out here, talk jack about cultural cycles, post a couple of memes, and vote for lurkers. I know that this isn't productive, and that a game with only guys like Xardob and me would be doomed. But we're still around, if you'll have us, and sometimes we still get some inspiration and try to do something about it. I, for instance, found Xardobs attempt to get 9 votes on him one of the most memorable parts of the game up till now.

TL;DR: I think my rundown was by far one of the most honest rundowns given in this game so far, because I didn't invest time into making up stories around it. If you don't like it and think that I'm a villain, for whatever reason, then that's part of the game, go ahead and vote me. But don't go around after I've said myself that I'm too lazy, that my list was lazy, that's just a cheap shot. Yes, I didn't include any effort distinguishing who's the villain...I STARTED MY ENTIRE POST BY SAYING "I CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO BULLSH!TTING SOMETHING". Don't walk around pretending like it's some sort of insight to say that I've been lazy, when I've said so myself. 

Dark_Hamlet said:

To clarify on my decision to vote for Moose:

He seems too eager to get someone, anyone, lynched. He seems very anxious and why would he be so anxious if he's innocent? Like he's hoping no one will point fingers at him if he's the one pointing first.

My defense against Big Mac's:

Yours a lazy vote. Parking the vote at the noobie to avoid stirring the pot like Moose said. There's barely any reason behind your vote, besides lynching the lurkers.

I've read the lore and I try to keep up with the posts, but I won't post the bloody thesaurus every time I come here just to see what's up. I don't like posting for the sake of it. If I post it's because I think I have something worth saying otherwise I keep to myself.

If this is too much inactivity for you Big Mac then do as you wish, but you'll be killing an innocent. Perhaps this is exactly what you want to do.

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Just one thing, out of this game...please don't take any of this personal. I think when you're posting you're doing a good job and are a welcome addition (that is, when you're not editing your posts). So nothing personal there, and no need for you to post the thesaurus, but you sure understand, that going after (perceived) lurkers is a valid tactic. I want to stress, however, that I'm not going after you because you're a "noobie", and I'd like to ask you not to play that card, because that could easily become a meta-discussion, and it detracts from the game.

Calling my vote a "lazy vote", however, is again nothing new and correct, since I've said so myself. And yes, there's barely any other reason for me to vote you, except that you are a lurker. If, however, the noob-thingy hurts you, I may consider switching to Vieira, who is anything but a noob, and then that's out of the way.

Your last sentence is also quite dramatic, however, it would come across even better in form of a meme like



Much better! 

My  wasn't meant as a stab at you. Sorry if that came across wrong. It was meant to reach out, leave this unnecessary back and forth and take Dago's advice and have fun. So let's do that 

Moose! said:

I don't have enough eyes to roll.

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Dago Wolfrider said:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.

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Just a reminder.

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MaHuD said:

That would appear in the Civilization: The West and the Rest

However, he also did a TED talk on it where he compressed it to 20 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnFeyMGUs8

I have heard about Spengler before, but not the others. Will possibly check it out

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Cheers, that one's already on my list! Also good to know about the TED talk, will definitely have a look.

Spengler is the obvious choice. Toynbee was more or less around the same time, slightly later and in England, but his writings are massive. Like 15 volumes or so. Nice, but a lot of work. Borkenau's book is a bit later, released posthumously. He died in '57 and takes those theories of the 20s and 30s further (and also draws a more positive outline going forward, which I appreciate).

Moose! said:

Ooh, that’s a big scary agenda. Don’t like others playing on your tuffguy turf?

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Entrance to that turf usually states the ability to not take oneself too seriously as a prerequisite. But in your case, I think you should do something about those excessive hormones. Get laid, or whatever, but do something about that before you explode 

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Big McLarge-Huge said:

BUT...since I'm reading currently "end of western civilization" literature, I'm looking at the big picture here. And that tells me, that last game we let 2 lurker/inactive wolves get away with it till the end. Experience also shows, that it is the early stages of a high culture...eh...a game, in which lurkers are eliminated. Once they survive past day 2, they're bound to stick around. And then you end up in a late game with people you don't know much about, who also don't say a lot.

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Just a quick snipe here, do you know about the theory of the 6 killer apps that made the west rise? (By Niall Ferguson) I am not saying he is right, but it is an interesting point of view

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I remotely remember something about that. Niall Ferguson is on my Amazon wishlist, but I've got already like 30 books waiting to be read, and far too little time to do so. Do you know in which of his books that appears?

If you're interested, I'm currently reading "Ende und Anfang", by Franz Borkenau. It's a criticism, but also a continuation of thought, of Spengler and Toynbee. Really inspiring and insightful, and far less nihilistic than Spengler, for instance. Don't know, though, whether it's been published in anything but German.

Moose! said:

What does it say about my agenda? And cry me a river. 

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You're using Werewolf 101 phrases to construct cases and/or pressure where you want it. It seems slightly disingenous, that's all.

And maybe stop the tough guy act, it's a bit unbecoming of you

Listen, strong man...contrary to some talented players who still pretend that there is stuff they can logically deduce, I have arrived at the stage of seeing this as a crap-shoot. What you call "avoiding stirring the pot", is actually quite clear if you read my post. I'm far more honest than almost everybody by saying what my line of thinking is. I'm not hiding it behind empty phrases. You're, on the other hand, the one who uses tons of empty phrases to push your agendas, whatever they may be. So when you say stuff like this,

Moose! said:

Parking vote on a noobie innocent? Trying to avoid stirring the pot?

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it says a lot more about your agendas than mine. In my opinion, this pot has been stirred already more than enough, and I frankly don't see anything discernable in it that gives me a better guess than the approach I laid out. MaHuD rightly pointed out, that this game has been way more spammy than the last one, and I, too, find it hard to find time and motivation to sift through it in detail.

Meh, really can't bring myself to bullsh!tting something. So if I'm honest, this is how it rolls for me...

I think it's quite likely one of the active guys (that'd be Moose, Soot and Arch3r) is a villain. Soot is my main guess for the traitor, as he is safe from checking at night, and given his current playstyle, that could float very well. Moose could be doing something similar, but his all-out crazy-style could be more inidicative of the Renegade, as a got-nothing-to-lose innocent. Arch3r...I dunno, don't have much to say about him, except that I think one of the three is a villain.

BUT...since I'm reading currently "end of western civilization" literature, I'm looking at the big picture here. And that tells me, that last game we let 2 lurker/inactive wolves get away with it till the end. Experience also shows, that it is the early stages of a high culture...eh...a game, in which lurkers are eliminated. Once they survive past day 2, they're bound to stick around. And then you end up in a late game with people you don't know much about, who also don't say a lot.

As such, I would still lean towards lynching one of the inactives/lurkers today, being a choice of Dark_Hamlet, Vieira and possibly - if you'd ever consider that - me. In my defense, though, I'm more likely to pick things up later, but then again you might not want that 

As a compromise, I'd be willing to vote for Moose, just because I enjoy lynching people that are foolish enough to think they can get me lynched 

As even more of a compromise, I'd be willing to vote just about anybody to reach a majority. It's called Realpolitik, read up on it 

For now my vote stays on Dark_Hamlet, though. Die, wolf, die!

SootShade said:

Looking at the totality of Arch3r's posts, I just don't see how an innocent's thought process comes up with that mess.

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But the GIF he posted was really funny 

MaHuD said:

@Adaham,
Nice composition/setup for the video! I don't think I can agree with the video's content/message, but the setting and such is well done & spoken.

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Cheers...I've poured quite a lot into building that home studio in my basement. Oughta use it more, but I always keep signing up for WW games at inopportune times that keep me from using it more 

As to the content, no worries, I didn't expect this to be the place for my main target group. Then again, what wrong is there in studying our culture?  Never mind, forget I said that. Back to the game and memes 

Dago Wolfrider said:

Not game relevant post. Just skip me if you are not MaHuD or Big McLarge-Huge.

Spoiler

Big McLarge-Huge is Escanor confirmed.

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It's hard to get back on-topic with you posting sillyness like that. Yes, I've been losing some weight, not quite there yet. Working out at the same time hasn't been easy, what with all the sleep deprivation for more than a year 

I'll take it as a compliment nevertheless.

Time for a bit of pressure:

unvote, vote: Dark Hamlet

Moose! said:

Fair enough.

Unvote

Vote SootShade

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Appreciate your change of heart. That being said, I just want to emphasise that this whole incident should have no bearing on the game whatsoever. It doesn't mean I'm guilty, it doesn't mean I'm innocent. This is something out of this game, and I want to keep it like that. I just brought it up, because the question of my apology of absence had become game-related. I wanted to stress, that that isn't the case. Other than that, feel free to vote me, hunt me, adore me, whatever floats your boat.

Looking forward to leaving that episode behind us and moving forward with the game. 

Dago Wolfrider said:

"Non facciamo di un erba un fascio."
Why all this bias against Gen X? Yet, more importantly, why don't you read narrations?

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My guess is as old as mankind itself...a woman 

Moose! said:

Im ageist. Just because they got **** over in the financial crisis isn't an excuse for their behavior imho.

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Or that...