Coming form a known HA spammer who runs Khuzait cheese strategy every game i cant take your words seriously. Some of us want to put effort in the game/battles . True they are probably the least optimal unit in the army in tearms of how easy you want battles to be but if the AI had some brain on how to use its soldiers a well balanced army of inf archers cav would crush any fian champion/HA spam army.
Ananda knows his stuff, he probably plays more than all of us combined.
How are you putting in more effort with infantry? The main problem with them (for the AI too) is they take too long to move and to re-position. You get 1 good shot to position them so you're mostly just letting them bulldoze each other. If you have time to re-position them again for an advantage it means you've already won and are just goofing around. If they let let you surround them with 2-4 infantry groups for a big brain attack.... you've already got them, you're just goofing around and they would already be defeated if you did that with ranged units.
I am sure spamming Horse archers or Archers is a very hard and thought consuming strategy.
A lot of players resolve to the meta/min-max which is pretty much Fians and HA in most situations.
Yes. The only downside is supplying mounts, but after early game this becomes a non-issue. Plus if you use forced recruitment you can get mounted troops free. There's just no reward or reason to raise up infantry. Any advantage in the armor/shield even is lost do to moving so slow make use of it.
It requires some strategy and patience for sure but it's something I can teach you to do. You will need to manage an early excess of money to buy war horses, say 40 to start and you must also get the HA units. I prefer to force recruit them to save on money, even if it means going to war alone at rank 0-1. Defeating the militia also is a good early income for renown and loot as you build up. Once you have 40 at t4 you can begin haunting lords and really you must or it's too expensive and unneeded for anything else. You must position them and format them to be able to fire without receiving damage and be ready to move them before they are in harms way. There's no point in making these units if you're not going to protect them. It helps to think of them simply as fast archers. As such, I give priority to moving normal archers first as it takes them longer to get in place. My goal is to eliminate all enemy HA, then ranged and cavalry, leaving the SW for last. By putting ranged on both side of the SW you can destroy it. It's good to put whatever group the SW faces on hold fire and only let them fire when the SW back is too them. I suggests saving 100K before promoting to t6 units because they have a high daily wage. AT t6 the Khan's guard unit can destroy cavalry and other HA with it's glaive as well as at range with low chance of KO compared to earlier ranks. This can be done by placing with the purple flag roughly over the enemy formation, or by hold fire and charge when near them, but beware of trickster going after something else and putting themselves in harms way.
When did you watch me play or know how i run my games ?
Let me translate my words for you:
Read^ Nobody asked for advice. It's a feedback thread.
Those highlights are 100% legit reasons the infantry is not very good in the current game. For anyone wanting to know if mostly infantry party is "good" this informs them. If a person making a party reads this they can make their own choice. Believe me, nothing I say will make people not do what they want. Also just to say in 1.8 they don't trade down as often but are still too vulnerable to ranged damage and slow. Lets keep this post in mind while we respond to other comments shared with us. Also I don't mean @LyonExodus and @3ap3ap per say, but rather YOU out there searching this for information!
True. You can make use of them with effort
Agreed. I use them when I have them but never make them. They can be used to create an opening and to distract but they will die too often.
I also use everything I find with the exception of what I call the rank 1 party, where you get that 1st big jump in size and have a choice of how to build onto your existing force. With a limited party size it matters what I use my resources to for now. I need to get a big pay out for my investment or I get stuck in a loop. By making horse archers I get a unit that I can protect and preserve my investment and it's mobility complements my starting batch (usually Empire Xbows).
If you could make people shut up on the internet, you could rule the world.
I'm going to say the truth everytime, even if it's unpopular.
So are you ESL? I'm not trying to be mean but what you've posted is not what was asked and this is the second time you've done this, so I wonder if it's a language issue. "what infantry is better then other infantry" is not why infantry is GOOD or how to use it for an advantage! "my custom battle testing results" is not why infantry is GOOD or how to use it for an advantage! For example: horse archers are easy to re-position in battle because they move fast. Horse archers give you more map speed. Do infantry have similar special utility? Is there as reason I should use them instead? I can think of a few niche considerations... but can you?
^this is the statement you were both challenging. You must contradict it or your argument is just hot air. It doesn't matter what other information or opinions you unload, you must shoot these down.
Who me? I don't call people stupid, that a TOS violation. Also, I typically use an infantry formation too, I just won't lie and say that it "good" or that other troops aren't more useful, or advise people who ask for help to make them over ranged units or to make mostly infantry and what not.
I don't call people names and the "effort" argument was started by you guys. But to be clear, a game is just putting in inputs to control something. If I'm putting in dozens more inputs every battle with my party then you are, I am using more effort, I am playing at a higher caliber then you, I am thinking more then you. If that's insulting to you, that I appraise your playing as not as intensive or energy consuming as my own, I don't know what to say.
I laugh at the most.
Who? You've never done it.
BTW this is a good point, having infantry and cavalry formations will help you keep gaining medicine without loosing better troops. This is more of a consideration for when you have a second clan party though. Early on it's better to make every troop count and protect it AMAP.
So wtf is with your soccer mom blog above?
Arrow damage to armour (pierce) barely changed at all, at most an increase of 1htk above T4 and 2htk at T6.
Yeah I agree, moving a small group to one side of the enemy SW to make them turn is useful and in 1.8 they don't trade down as often which helps a lot for actually having some infantry left for the next fight.
Yes. They still can do everything the others can and often better (for KG at least). And of course if the main use of infantry is to deal with the enemy SW, two HA groups can easily obliterate it by getting on both sides. The armor is certainly a step in the right direction for Infantry and Cav though. Cav really needs better aim though.
Sorry man but that's all i need to hear.
here you contradict yourself because you realized you exposed yourself in a bad way by saying this
I can't see why people got mad maybe you can help.
The problem is that archers can easily do the same and have overall more value :/ .
Yep; for players that tend to min/max as priority, infantry are pretty much next to useless. There are some of us that like the challenge/RP/handicap in using infantry and work out ways to make them more viable but that is still acknowledging there is some imbalance between them and HA/archers in general.
