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Army of Benito Juarez:

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General Porfirio Diaz, in blue dress uniform with gold trim

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"Two regular cavalry soldiers of the Republican forces captured at Puebla and photographed in 1863 wearing the 1856 regulation pattern uniform but the colours might be different. Instead of grey faced with green, the jacket might be blue with scarlet collar and cuffs and white metal buttons. The overalls, which may have been blue or grey, have rudimentary leather 'false boots'. Both wear the black leather shako with white cover. The NCO is a Corporal first class."

 
Auldie &Raddy very good work.!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

Pls try to concentrate on French Army Uniforms fighting for Emperor Maximilian and on Mexicans fighting for Juarez, also.
Those are the ones we don t have yet in 1860s.

If possible, we should make some that already "look" like some that we have (like from CW but with different colors :wink: )
We need to make things easy....

Thx
Gabby
 
GABRILDURO said:
Auldie &Raddy very good work.!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

Pls try to concentrate on French Army Uniforms fighting for Emperor Maximilian and on Mexicans fighting for Juarez, also.
Those are the ones we don t have yet in 1860s.

If possible, we should make some that already "look" like some that we have (like from CW but with different colors :wink: )
We need to make things easy....

Thx
Gabby
All of the ones I posted are 1860's French and Mexican rebel units. I think you could probably build some of that from what we already have from Zouaves. Someone might need to make a Mexican Army shako though and that could be added to a Union regular uniform.
 
I beleive that what your talking about Custer is just the French Foreign legion....Belgians were in it. But so was anyone from any country accross the world.
 
2ndGrds_Ghost said:
I beleive that what your talking about Custer is just the French Foreign legion....Belgians were in it. But so was anyone from any country accross the world.
  you may be right son, but eeh i could swear there was a 18de Belgische Vrijwilligers (Belgian volunteers)  meh never mind,
 
Hahaha, good guys!! Keep make this things coming.
May I please ask though to limit pics ONLY till the end of 1860's?
For example, those apaches are at Geronimo s last stand time (1880s) I d need more of Cochise 1862 fights period time (indians had mostly no metallic bullits at that time and used still a lot their native weapons)
And we also need COLORS, to match outfits in game (using old documented paintings, perhaps? Like Remington, Russel, Schreyvogel...etc....)
Or, Auldie....remember those HISTORICAL pics POGO had of French indian wars? Where did he get them from?
We will need to replace most of menu pics as well, making them less CW .... :roll:

Step by step, we will do everything :razz:
gabby
 
Here's a good fact: In 1861 about 2% of the native braves had muskets, rifles pistols etc
                            In  1870 about 39% of the natives  braves had muskets, pistols, etc
 
Radetzky said:
Well some belgians for Mexico :grin:

Alfred Van der Smissen
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Biography
One of the most zealous defenders of the Mexican Empire was the Belgian soldier Alfred Baron Van der Smissen. He was born in Brussels on February 1, 1823 and began his military career in 1843 when he was 20 years old. Rising to the officer corps of the Belgian army, he saw combat for the first time in 1851 fighting with French troops in North Africa after the Algerian tribes rose up in rebellion against France. In a campaign spanning 26 battles in 80 days Van der Smissen gained valuable experience at how to fight a war against guerilla forces and the suppression of irregular, revolutionary forces. This experience was undoubtedly a consideration when he was given command of the Belgian troops sent to Mexico.

When Emperor Maximilian and his Belgian wife Empress Carlota went to Mexico in 1864, King Leopold I of the Belgians was naturally concerned about the safety of his daughter and so he authorized the formation of the Belgian Foreign Legion consisting of a Grenadier and a Rifle Battalion and Lieutenant Colonel Van der Smissen was given command. The Austrians did the same, but unlike the Austrian Volunteer Corps, which consisted of many veterans of battles in Europe, the Belgian Legion was made up of new units filled with very young men, the vast majority less than 25 years old, who had never served in the army before. The troops were inexperienced volunteers, only Colonel Van der Smissen and his deputy Major Tigdal had ever been under hostile fire before, but they were tough and determined and soon had their trial by fire.

Not long after arriving in Mexico, the Belgian Legion barely survived a horrific battle against vastly superior republican forces on April 11, 1865 at Tacambaro in the state of Michoachan. It was their first test of combat and their lack of experience was to cost them dearly. Out of the 300 Belgian soldiers under Major Tigdal participating in the battle with the Mexican Imperial forces, 110 were killed, including Major Tigdal, a vital commander, as well as two captains, Chazal and Delaunay, and three lieutenants. The 190 men, including three officers, who survived were forced to surrender. The news spread fast, especially since one of the dead officers, Captain Chazal, was the son of the Belgian Minister of War. It was a brutal experience, but lessons were learned and the Belgians immediately became battle hardened veterans.

Later, on July 11, 1865 the Belgians returned to the scene of their earlier defeat at Tacambaro and this time soundly defeated the Mexican republican forces, regaining for the honor of their country what had been lost three months earlier. Taking the name of their beloved Empress Carlota, the Belgian Legion was given the honor of bearing the title of the Empress' Guard and Colonel Van der Smissen was a favorite of the Empress, who perhaps was more trusting of a fellow Belgian in a country where so many had deceived and betrayed her. Van der Smissen, however, did not have the compassionate soul of his Empress. The stunning losses in the first battle of the Belgian Legion made him cautious for a time, but Van der Smissen was an aggressive and bold soldier, always advocating the offensive and force to the utmost.

The early initial losses also spelled the doom of any small hope of an independent command for Colonel Van der Smissen and, like Carlota, he was not on very good terms with the top French commander Marshal Bazaine. That was no fault of the Colonel's, Bazaine simply didn't like Belgians in general. Bazaine was also looking to withdraw from Mexico longer than anyone in Mexico City knew and so was more cautious and conservative with his forces as time went on. Van der Smissen was as aggressive as ever. When word came that a massive republican column under Escobedo was marching down from the north the bold Belgian proposed a dramatic move. He urged the Emperor to lead a division against them composed of a Mexican brigade to be led by Colonel Miguel Lopez, 2 battalions of the French Foreign Legion, General Tomas Mejia as chief-of-staff and himself in command of the Austro-Belgian brigade that would be in the vanguard. He begged to lead the attack against the enemy and vowed that a great victory would be won, no less than 3,000 prisoners taken and thousands more would rally to the Empire. Maximilian was taken with the idea, but nothing ever came of it. It does, however, reveal alot about the style and temperment of the Belgian commander.

The situation changed, to the doom of the Imperial couple, in 1866 when the United States pressured Napoleon III into withdrawing his forces from Mexico, in spite of the promises he had made to Maximilian to remain until Mexico was united and stable. On December 6, 1866 the Belgian Foreign Legion was officially disbanded and the majority returned home, Colonel Van der Smissen along with them. By the end of his service he had been promoted to full Colonel and had earned the honors of being a Knight Officer of the Order of the Mexican Eagle and Knight Commander of the Imperial Order of Our Lady of Guadalupe as well as the Golden Medal for Military Merit. Later, In 1868 he was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Order of Leopold by the Emperor of Austria in recognition of his service in Mexico to Maximilian.

Once back, he became the commander of the Belgian Royal Guards and in 1882 was given command of the Brussels military district. It was in this capacity that he suppressed a rebellion by disgruntled workers at Charleroi in 1886. He wrote about his adventures in Mexico in his book, "Souvenirs of Mexico" and died in Brussels on June 16, 1895 at the age of 72, a victim of suicide, as a lieutenant general and one of the most respected officers in the Belgian army.

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Another biography
Alfred Baron Van der Smissen was born in Brussels (Belgium) on the 1st of February 1823. He entered military service in 1843 and soon became an officer in the Belgian army. When in 1851 nearly all the tribes in Algeria rose against the colonial power, General Saint-Arnaud defeated them in 26 battles in only 80 days. Captain Van der Smissen was present during this campaign receiving a great deal of experiences in combating  irregular troops as  was common in colonial wars of this century. These experiences later made him the perfect choice to command the Belgian Volunteer Corps.

When in 1864 Erzherzog Maximilian and his wife Charlotte of Belgium traveled to Mexico the Belgian King Leopold decided that his daughter should also be guarded by a Belgian Foreign Legion similar to the Austrian Volunteer Corps. In contrast to the Austrian Legion, which was formed from veterans, the Belgian Corps consisting of a Grenadier and a Jäger Battalion, was newly raised in Brussels from young men - more than 90% younger than 25 years - without any military experience. Besides the commander, Lieutenant Colonel Van der Smissen only his deputy commander Major Tigdal had any war experience under real fire. This was one of the reasons why they suffered heavy causalities shortly after arriving at Mexico. On the 11th of April 1865, their first contact with the enemy, a force of about 300 men strong under the command of Major Tigdal, was surrounded by superior republican forces. Major Tigdal, Captain Chazal (the son of the Belgian minister of war), Captain Delaunay, three Lieutenants and about 110 men were soon killed. The remaining three wounded officers and about 190 men surrendered to the Republicans. This early shock made Van der Smissen cautious during the following operations. In 1866 he was promoted to Colonel and by the time of the disbanding of both foreign volunteer corps on the 6th of December 1866 he had been honored with the award of the Officer's Cross of the Order of the Mexican Eagle, the Commander's Cross of the Order of Our beloved Madonna of Guadalupe and the Golden Medal for Military Merit. After his return to Europe he was appointed commander of the Belgian Royal Guards shortly followed by his promotion to Major General. In 1868 he received the Knight's Cross of the Austrian Order of Leopold for his efforts during the Mexican Adventure.

In 1879 he received the promotion to Lieutenant General and published the book "Organisation des forces nationales" (Brussels 1879). In 1882 he was appointed military commander of the Belgian capital Brussels. In this position he was responsible for the suppressing of the workers' mutiny at Chareroi in 1886 in a ruthless fashion. Lieutenant General Van der Smissen was also well known for his strong support for universal conscription. In 1887 he again published a book named "Le service personnel et la loi militaire" (Brussels 1887). In 1889 he retired to write a book about his adventures in Mexico which was published under the name of "Souvenirs de Mexique" (Brussels 1894). Lieutenant General Alfred Baron Van der Smissen died in Brussels on the 16th of June 1895 in the age of 72.

In the 20th century it was rumored that Van der Smissen could have been the father of the famous French General Louis Maxime Weygand (born in Brussels on the 21st of June 1867). This was never officially confirmed but the Belgian historian Albert Duchesne, who published the important book about the Belgian volunteers in Mexico in 1967, was after decades of research absolutely certain. The French historian André Castelot, who published a book about Maximilian in Mexico in 1977, corroborated this by publishing photos of Van der Smissen and Weygand showing their close likeness - as usual between fathers and sons, legitimate or not.

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Belgian Legion photos!
Smissen made topic about this on 1866 forum
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=171033.0

http://historyin172.blogspot.com/2011/04/mexico-just-for-fun.html
(Several nations, AUSTRIANS too!!)


One of my ancestors :wink:
 
Radetzky said:
-Belgian Legion- I think only Infantry

They had an Infantry and a Jaeger Battalion,but after a surprise attack,under command
of my great grandfather they captured almost every horse (and slaughtered every
$*^@# Mexican rebel :twisted: ) and used the horses to make a Cavalry detachment :wink:

The Belgian Foreign Legion was led by Lt.Col Van Der Smissen (:grin:) and Major Tydgadt (died
at the Battle of Tacámbaro).

Some info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tac%C3%A1mbaro

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Left soldier is Infantrymen and right soldier is Jaeger

Thanks for showing interest in him :wink:,
 
12th Infantry Regiment?

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Civil War:Less than a month after the first shots of the Civil War were fired at Fort Sumter in South Carolina, the 12th Infantry Regiment was reconstituted 3 May 1861 in the Regular Army as the 1st Battalion, 12th Infantry. It was organized 20 October 1861 at Fort Hamilton in New York. The Battalion saw extensive combat during the Civil War, participating in twelve campaigns with the Army of the Potomac.

During the Peninsula Campaign, the 12th Infantry distinguished itself in its first combat action at the Battle of Gaines' Mill in June 1862, while sustaining fifty percent casualties. The regiment also participated in such historic battles as Antietam, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg and six additional campaigns culminating with the Siege of Petersburg, Virginia, from late summer 1864 through April 1865 and the war's end.

Indian Wars:The Battalion was reorganized and redesignated as the 12th Infantry Regiment on 7 December 1866. In the 1870s, the Regiment took part in three campaigns of the Indian Wars; against the Modoc tribe in California during 1872-1873, against the Bannocks in the Northwest in 1878, and against the Sioux at Pine Ridge, South Dakota from 1890-91. During these campaigns, six Warriors won the Congressional Medal of Honor.
 
NICE!!!  :shock:
Hey, the first painting is EXACTLY what we need to make outfits, see?
Cuz colors and details are all there!
I d love a full documentation with pics like that  :cool:
Thx as usual Raddy  :wink:
Gab
 
Radetzky said:
18th Massachusetts Volunteers 1862 wearing the imported French Chasseur uniform.

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Quite unusual uniform!

If this regiment were made that helmet could be swapped out for Mexico too dontcha think?
 
Radetzky said:
Yeah, the hat is exactly the same! But... did these troops fight in Mexico? I though troops in mexico had own uniforms, because of the harsh enviroment?

I think the Juarez troops used them. That famous picture of Maximillian being executed has Mexican Juarez troops in Shako. But let me check on the French use for you.
 
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This is the 18e Bataillon de Chasseurs
and they served in Mexico along with:

20e Bataillon de Chasseurs

1er Bataillon de Chasseurs

7e Bataillon de Chasseurs


 
Hah! Raddy....of all up above, there is one thing I can use now, and I forgot about (thx for reminding me!! :cool::
THE WORKER CAP (last pic on the left, the guy with pipe :wink: )
It is in shops in game....but I forgot... :oops: :oops:
Gab
New 1860s Old America v 0,5 coming sooooooooooooooooon :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
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