MOSS Anticheat

Hello everyone. I know there's been some mention of an anticheat going around, so since the cat is out of the bag I figured it best to make a thread. We're currently talking with the admin team of the Blitz league about using it for that and we hope it'll be ready for that.

ESL online competitions use their own anti-cheat, as well as something called MOSS. The guy who runs the site and makes the software is very open to adding new games. Myself and a few other AE guys pursued it and the game has now been added. We're still honing it a little bit with him, getting him to amend some of the checks etc but it looks promising so far. Given all the drama around cheating and people potentially being banned with slim evidence or on the other side being allowed to play despite considerable circumstantial evidence, I think it would be a good option.

The software needs to be started before players load up the game. Once the game has ended and the software stopped it makes a ZIP file. This zip file contains some information in a notepad and also importantly randomly taken screenshots from the time spent playing the game. If the ZIP file is tampered with then, when examined using the anti-cheat, it will show as corrupted. The software is extremely low intensity so should be able to be ran by everyone.There's a lot of information available so go read on the site if your interested in learning more. I believe the random screenshots will be extremely useful - no more excuses about screenshots. Step by step below:

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[*]Start MOSS with Warband selected as the game
[*]Open Warband, play match
[*]Closed Warband. End MOSS processing
[*]Do not tamper with the ZIP folder created, this will result in corruption of file
[*]Submit ZIP folder to admins
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This would require a few things.

• Leg Work - This will involve manual checking of logs and screenshots. As such my suggestion would be that teams are randomly checked each week and also any teams or players under a reasonable level of suspicion.
• Community - The community has to agree to this and the players have to actually be willing to do it. There has to be genuine consequences for failure to submit the file or if a corrupted file is submitted. People have to take a step backward, even when it's their own team, and accept the consequences for failing to meet these requirements. There can't be an angry thread every time the rules are adhered to, questioning the admin's legitimacy.

I personally believe this would be a positive step forward. Perhaps it'll turn out we have very few cheaters, which should please us all. Maybe it will exonerate people accused in the past. We are some way into the games life cycle, some may not think it worthwhile but I thought it best to present it to the community so that we may agree upon what path to take.

I'll try explain anything if people have questions or message me on steam. Truth be told i'm severely lacking in the technical department so I may not be able to answer, but I will try to point you in the right direction.

Website below:
https://nohope.eu

1. how will the zip file be submitted
2. how intrusive is the information noted and the screenshots. can it take information/screens outside of my game? what even is the information

Files will be uploaded to something like google drive or dropbox. The information is exclusively regarding the game, there's a chance it might take a screen of your desktop on startup but that's it.

looking at the website it says that screenshots will be stored when prntscrn is pressed. is this how the program takes screenshots? if so wouldnt it be able to prntscrn aslong as the program is running, so it can take screenshots if im looking at my email while alt tabbed etc?

sick stuff

Guaccmoleboy said:

looking at the website it says that screenshots will be stored when prntscrn is pressed. is this how the program takes screenshots? if so wouldnt it be able to prntscrn aslong as the program is running, so it can take screenshots if im looking at my email while alt tabbed etc?

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I think that's a separate tool from how the random screenshots work, but I'll test it while alt tabbed.

alright ty. will gladly volunteer to look thru logs/screenshots if needed

Ran a 10 min or so MOSS. The screenshots do capture the screen, not the game, my bad - including steam overlay chats and desktop while alt-tabbed. Since we're looking to use these for officials only though, that should be easily avoided for giving away any info - just be aware.

Performance-wise it uses less than 40mb of memory and occasionally just some small % of CPU.

Other logged info I don't want to go too in depth about, but it mostly relates to the game, processes running at the time of game start, hardware info, and ping/internet info. It won't delve into any other files, rather think of it as a monitoring process of everything your PC is doing actively at the time of playing Warband from start to finish. If ur not downloading porn during that, we won't know.

not sure if im a huge fan of it taking random screenshots of whatevers on ur screen

other than that looks cool

About This, would you also add loading screens to this? and if there is any changes to said files will it cause a red flag? or is it anything other than them files which would cause the red flag?

For example I have two loading screens just for native so that's why they are in the folder.

Guaccmoleboy said:

alright ty. will gladly volunteer to look thru logs/screenshots if needed

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Guacc confirmed cheater.

Surkan said:

not sure if im a huge fan of it taking random screenshots of whatevers on ur screen

other than that looks cool

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Yeah i get that. Having used it I didnt find it too bad. I don't think this is something that can be changed as its present for all games  on MOSS.

Apollo~ said:

About This, would you also add loading screens to this? and if there is any changes to said files will it cause a red flag? or is it anything other than them files which would cause the red flag?

For example I have two loading screens just for native so that's why they are in the folder.

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I guess in this case anyone checking the logs can exercise some discretion. If someone has a totally harmless change of loading screen then there's no need for action.

Deacon Barry said:

Apollo~ said:

About This, would you also add loading screens to this? and if there is any changes to said files will it cause a red flag? or is it anything other than them files which would cause the red flag?

For example I have two loading screens just for native so that's why they are in the folder.

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I guess in this case anyone checking the logs can exercise some discretion. If someone has a totally harmless change of loading screen then there's no need for action.

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Ok that sounds good to me then, thanks for doing this sounds like the only fair way to try and stop the influx of cheaters or the suspicion of cheaters.

good stuff

Im sure some pro russian rangers have very bad pc's and cant run it because of performance drop ))) plz let them ply without it)))

Potentially the best thing to happen for the wb scene

That is great. I am up to helping

Im not really a big fan of it because of the screencapture screenshots. For example while im benched in an official i always tab out and do other stuff and i dont want to be on the risk to leak anything just cos of a badly timed screenshot so im forced to stay in the game the whole time (maybe half a match if i only play the closed map for example..)

You'd only need to MOSS to be active while playing, so if it's really a problem you can stop it then start it again (needs a game restart) if you're playing different sets, you'd just have multiple files to submit. Don't think it's a huge barrier tbh, not for the proposed benefits.

Can't you just delete the taken screenshots or does it send to the server in an instant?