2015 UNAC testing tournament!
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Arys said:
We've been through this once before in BIT. If this is the way people want to go, don't let me stand in your way -- but I won't be playing.
The Pizza said:
bye cheesepizza
I will admit, 1000 does actually make you more careful to choose what equipment you actually buy instead of buying everything pretty much maxed out on the first or 2nd round
Choices like:
Strong bow > weak armor
Strong Horse > weak lance
Heavy armor > weak shield and weapons
These choices are blurred or are not that important when you have more gold 1700-2000k 2nd round (if you win)
BIT was 2012-2013 and did not have 2 minute flag spawns. Now I'm not saying 1000 is better, I haven't played on it enough with the newer rulesets and the more recent patches to warband to know if it is or is not better, but lets try it and see.
Choices like:
Strong bow > weak armor
Strong Horse > weak lance
Heavy armor > weak shield and weapons
These choices are blurred or are not that important when you have more gold 1700-2000k 2nd round (if you win)
Shemaforash said:
BIT was 2012-2013 and did not have 2 minute flag spawns. Now I'm not saying 1000 is better, I haven't played on it enough with the newer rulesets and the more recent patches to warband to know if it is or is not better, but lets try it and see.
1000 gold makes me feel like a dirty peasant playing, it is the sux.
just sorta repeating whats already been said but,
1k gold is gross and Ruins Rebuilt is one of the worst maps i've ever had the displeasure of being forced to play in a tourney
1k gold is gross and Ruins Rebuilt is one of the worst maps i've ever had the displeasure of being forced to play in a tourney
Amaranth the Druid said:
instead of "1k gold is gross", what's actually wrong with it? I don't see how speaking against it is bad since factions are already snowballing hard with 1K, 1.2K or 1.5K that was the old standard is even worse.
Danate said:
^
Also if nobody wants to play Ruins Rebuilt then offer an alternative map you'd like to try, I'm all ears. However, 1000 gold is staying for the map testing tourney that doesn't mean it's a permanent thing and will happen in UNAC S5. The purpose of me running this tournament is to test things like that out, also if anybody has a compelling argument against 1000 gold then by all means, do share. So far all I've heard is "ogm arys i cnt buy op horse first round, wtf man".
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Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing: Akaria's Knights/ Brothers of Valor
Captain (with link to TW profile): Danate http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=344962
Co-Captain (with link to TW profile):OmniScare
Members (including Captain and Co-Captain) with IDs:
01) Danate: 2352647
02) Xerute: 93415
04) oodle: 1033066
05) Troubadour: 1230258
06) Firuniun: 696320
07) OmniScare: 411817
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10) Lagstro: 403069
11) Surkan: 1275882
12) Ragnar: 1858524
13) Nero ID: 2137012
14) BeardFuzzz ID: 2012419
15) LongHorn ID: 417440
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I would be for playing on medium combat speed. The animations are less 'glitchy' from my experience which leads to more sound mechanics than on fastest. I think it's worth playing on medium then getting more informed feedback after the tournament when comparing medium to fastest combat speeds.
KoA_Braveheart said:
After playing stuck-in-the-mud Normal speed for Nations Cup the last 2 years, I wouldn't wish this on anyone. The game feels like it moves so unnaturally slow on this speed that the timing people developed playing on Fastest is very different.
Considering that I started playing the game in NA and on fastest, I can't say that I've ever experienced the difficulty in cross-over between medium and fastest.
The view that the consensus has always been in favour of not having 1k is false, the polling done by Eternal after BiT showed a clear desire for the majority of the teams of the day to stick with 1k. That tournament was one of the most balanced tournaments that NA has held, though it suffered from the misfortunate of still being on fastest.
Sarrandids can reasonably afford javs if you opt for the 2nd tier axe, 4th tier shield and 3rd tier helmet. Rhoddoks can also afford them but you'd be unlikely to buy them anyway as Rhoddoks due to the poor accuracy, the same goes for Vaegirs. Swadian darts don't do enough damage to be worth the expense anyhow. The reason that people in Europe don't buy throwing weapons as the other factions is not because they can't afford them but because they have low utility, you'd struggle to find someone buying javs as Rhoddoks on 1.2k.
The claims that cavalry are badly harmed by the change to 1k gold is also false and shows a complete ignorance of developments in Europe. The prevailing meta on open maps in Europe has been one of increased cavalry use, most notably AE's saddle horse cav tactics, KURWA's heavy cavalry team in the WNL finals (Cavalry players accounted for over 2/3 kills in that match and 1/3 of the deaths, roughly). The fact of the matter is that there are players in the NA community who have become too reliant on the length of their lance to secure kills than on their ability to manoeuvre their horse and time their thrusts. These players are naturally opposed to change. I have never bought a heavy lance in a competitive match to my memory and despite what you may think of my relative position against other players, I have rarely suffered because of it and have managed to play at a high level despite my ping.
A throw back from BiT, ignoring the counter-factual or revisionist outlooks that some members of the community want to cast on the tournament:
NB: This was a survey of the team captains at the time
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8gTAW4AL4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh8-bU48v1g
The clans that ultimately caused the biggest fuss after BiT were the clans that did worse than they expected to do and subsequently moved to create a schism in the community. I too was lobbying for 1.5k gold back in the day which is a decision that I regret, though I don't think that I was awfully influential in shaping any opinions. The community was heading in the right direction back in 2013, it's a shame that it's taken a further 2 years to get it back on track.
The view that the consensus has always been in favour of not having 1k is false, the polling done by Eternal after BiT showed a clear desire for the majority of the teams of the day to stick with 1k. That tournament was one of the most balanced tournaments that NA has held, though it suffered from the misfortunate of still being on fastest.
TMW_Fiery said:
Sarrandids can reasonably afford javs if you opt for the 2nd tier axe, 4th tier shield and 3rd tier helmet. Rhoddoks can also afford them but you'd be unlikely to buy them anyway as Rhoddoks due to the poor accuracy, the same goes for Vaegirs. Swadian darts don't do enough damage to be worth the expense anyhow. The reason that people in Europe don't buy throwing weapons as the other factions is not because they can't afford them but because they have low utility, you'd struggle to find someone buying javs as Rhoddoks on 1.2k.
The claims that cavalry are badly harmed by the change to 1k gold is also false and shows a complete ignorance of developments in Europe. The prevailing meta on open maps in Europe has been one of increased cavalry use, most notably AE's saddle horse cav tactics, KURWA's heavy cavalry team in the WNL finals (Cavalry players accounted for over 2/3 kills in that match and 1/3 of the deaths, roughly). The fact of the matter is that there are players in the NA community who have become too reliant on the length of their lance to secure kills than on their ability to manoeuvre their horse and time their thrusts. These players are naturally opposed to change. I have never bought a heavy lance in a competitive match to my memory and despite what you may think of my relative position against other players, I have rarely suffered because of it and have managed to play at a high level despite my ping.
A throw back from BiT, ignoring the counter-factual or revisionist outlooks that some members of the community want to cast on the tournament:
Mad Dawg said:
Eternal said:
Eternal said:
Eternal said:
NB: This was a survey of the team captains at the time
John7 said:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8gTAW4AL4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh8-bU48v1g
The clans that ultimately caused the biggest fuss after BiT were the clans that did worse than they expected to do and subsequently moved to create a schism in the community. I too was lobbying for 1.5k gold back in the day which is a decision that I regret, though I don't think that I was awfully influential in shaping any opinions. The community was heading in the right direction back in 2013, it's a shame that it's taken a further 2 years to get it back on track.
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