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Cèsar de Quart said:
Merlkir said:
It really starts to sound like Conan or some other pre-historical fantasy. :grin:
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Isn't that cool? If someone in the mod has literary ambitions, here's free inspiration! A world set in motion when the Turks loose control of their mighty universal empire against the cannibals!

It's like merging Latin American soap-opera with zombies. You get The Walking Dead. Now, merge pseudo-prehistorical theories, Conan and Latin Amercian soap opera, and you get... the next fantasy success!

Prepare to be as famous as Andrzej Sapkowski.
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http://science-mag.aaas.org/content/300/5617/227.1.summary

Cannibalism and Prion Disease May Have Been Rampant in Ancient Humans

  1. Elizabeth Pennisi

Summary

Epidemics of prion diseases--possibly spread by cannibalism--plagued prehistoric humans, a team proposes online in Science this week. Analysis of the worldwide distribution of the prion gene suggests that two gene variants have undergone "balancing selection" through exposure to toxic prions.

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Vlad Tepes committed exocannibalism in one account when he ingested the blood of captured Turks, although there's no evidence he believed he gained any tangible power from the act. Rather, he ate blood-dipped bread from a bowl as a signal of what the future held in store for the Turks

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2937187.stm

Brain legacy of ancient cannibals
The cannibal habits of ancient humans probably caused epidemics of diseases similar to CJD, claim researchers.
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http://www.opendemocracy.net/jen-paton/europe-and-its-cannibals

A spell-binding history of cannibalism in the middle ages: its use as a propaganda tool, and place in Christendom's self-image; the cannibal as a philosophical hypothetical, and a justification for colonialism; and Richard the Lionheart's fondness for "Saracen's head's all hot"
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http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/cannibalism.html

Several Christian sources of the First Crusade report instances of cannibalism. Specifically, starving crusaders were reported to have eaten their fallen Muslim opponants. Although such behavior was undoubtedly very rare, sources claim that Muslims spread terrifying rumors of crusaders "who fed very greedily on the bodies of saracens."
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This is no fantasy. You don't even have to go 2000 years earlier.  Turks had been getting eaten for a very long time.

Cannibalism features in many mythologies, and is most often attributed to evil characters or as extreme retribution for some wrong. Examples include the witch in Hansel and Gretel and Baba Yaga of Slavic folklore.

A number of stories in Greek mythology involve cannibalism, in particular cannibalism of close family members, for example the stories of Thyestes, Tereus and especially Cronus, who was Saturn in the Roman pantheon. The story of Tantalus also parallels this. These mythologies inspired Shakespeare's cannibalism scene in Titus Andronicus.

Hindu mythology describes evil demons called "asura" or "rakshasa" that dwell in the forests and practice extreme violence including devouring their own kind, and possess many evil supernatural powers. These are however the Hindu equivalent of "demons" and do not relate to actual tribes of forest-dwelling people.[citation needed]

The Wendigo (also Windigo, Weendigo, Windago, Windiga, Witiko, Wihtikow, and numerous other variants) is a mythical creature appearing in the mythology of the Algonquian people. It is a malevolent cannibalistic spirit into which humans could transform, or which could possess humans. Those who indulged in cannibalism were at particular risk,[39] and the legend appears to have reinforced this practice as taboo. The name is Wiindigoo in the Ojibwe language (the source of the English word),[40] Wìdjigò in the Algonquin language, and Wīhtikōw in the Cree language; the Proto-Algonquian term was *wi·nteko·wa, which probably originally meant "owl".[41]

PS: Don't make your knew found knowledge stop you from eating turkey!
 
So, yes, you know cannibalism exists. Where's the proof Turks protected anyone from cannibals?
 
Merlkir said:
So, yes, you know cannibalism exists. Where's the proof Turks protected anyone from cannibals?
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Humans can be divided into four groups.  Turks, their noble soldiers ( for example Proto Indo-Germens), their indentured slaves (Proto-Indians) who need protection from cannibals, cannibals

Here is a part of the story. I'll finish it later.

A Tale Of Humanity

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuman_people

13000 years ago, the Cumans returned from America to Asia through Bering because of a climate change. They went to America "25000" years ago.

The Turks came in great numbers. They had to move together to hunt big animals for food. It had became their character: move together, act together. (this is how they won many wars much later)

12500 years ago, the nominal temperatures suddenly rose and the glaciers melted swiftly. The hunting grounds became swamps. The way to the South was opened and the old rich hunting grounds to the North became swamps and quick sand.

Here we see the ancient mechanism that was used to throw spears used by ancient Americans. It's naturally named in Turkic:
ATLATL < ATILATIL: (be thrown, shoot ahead swiftly)
or
ATLATIR (it shoots swiftly) "they probably couldn't pronounce strong R if this etymology is the correct one"
or (this is far fetched)
ATÖLDÜR: (shoot and kill) "they probably couldn't pronounce strong R if this etymology is the correct one"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlatl

atlatl.jpg


The Turks started to move South. They owned the best weapons of the time. Arrows and spears and other similar tools. They were far ahead of their time. the scattered little groups of people kept clear of their way. Cumans didn't choose to live in protected places like forests. Unlike small groups of people hiding in forests, they needed wide and open terrain to hunt. After some time, they got divided into two parts.


*At the time of the divide and before that, these people are called Proto-Turks. The Cumans started their journey carving stones and they continued carving and shaping people, and they have the Turkic character. After some time, Turks will enter the lands what we today call China. The Chinese people were not there at this point in history, they were cannibals living around the North parts of Caspian Sea. The Chinese arrive in China 6000 years before today and 6000 years after Cumans.
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DIVIDED

This was the first divide among Cumans. The first group moved SouthWest into Central Asia and wanted to settle and get stronger. The second group moved South. We keep following the second group because they will create the first empire of the world at this age. They were looking for a flat and sturdy land with rivers. For the first time they were left without the luxury of slow moving large game.

With great difficulty they passed the South Siberian mountains and reached "Henan" in what we today call China. The Cumans encountered three groups of people here. The Melanesians, Proto-Papuans, Australoids. They were cannibals hunting small groups for their flesh. The Cumans saved the Proto-Asian groups from the oppression of these cannibals. This was the first time "policing" was seen in history. Cumans protected these people and their lands, the people in return provided Cumans the things Cumans needed. It became so popular that anyone who heard about this trade raced to come under protection of Cumans. The Cumans who were once hunters of great game suddenly became the police, soldiers and rebels against the oppressors. They created some kind of tax system and the Cuman religion which we today call Manichaeism became the religion of these people.

The Religion Of Cumans Became The Religion Of Everyone Who Joined The Cumans:

The rulers created some kind of order. People were liable against God, and the rulers were responsible for the people that were being managed. This was a codex. There was now a valid reason for different people to be able to live together.
12000 years ago, humanity was entering a new era. Masses of people were joining this system with their lands. People of the world gained a new quality in their lives. After many different people joined the Cumans, new arts, new inventions came to life from the unification of different cultures who were safe from the oppressors.
11500 years ago, Taxes-Protection system started to become the standard. The states of today are the result of this system.
After sometime, a great Empire was formed and a new understanding was needed to rule the empire. "A Khan" ruling the people. People were prospering and their population booming. The Cumans were regarded as the noble class of the world. They were called Aryng people.

Turkic Language Was The Language Of the World Somehow Like What English Today Is:

Turks, Indo-Germens, Siberian people, Ainus and many more smaller groups... Many Turkic words used by these people are from these days.

It's mostly not a coincidence. We find the same abilities among the Sandia culture "25000" years ago.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,763963,00.html

They returned from America wielding arrow, bow and spear. Without single casualty they made their enemies flee. With their added ability to "move" together and "be" together and their numbers, they dominated Asia. 11500 years ago, the Empire contained within itself "Pamir".

The first group settled between the Black Sea and old Aral Lake (the Lake Area). The area was very rich. Without losing their superior ability to fight and make weapons, they created a "Nation" state. They didn't expand much. ... Let's return to the second group which we left in Henan.

Cumans In Henan:

Agriculture started in East Asia and animals were tamed. The best Ceramic was found in South Japan dated 12000 years. It was the center of the empire.Writing was invented here by Cumans.

People lived happily in peace for the first time in history under Cuman administration. The Cumans marked their territory with piled, erected stones to tell the semi-wild humans that they owned the lands after those borders. (For example "Kurgan" in Russian language means border: The border where the lands of Turks starts) Turkic became the cultural language of the world, Cuman arts spread to other people.

Na-Dene belonged to the first and second Turkic empire. Japans, Mongols, Finns belonged to the first and second Turkic empires.
Na-Dene call their Gods Manitu. They call their boats kayak. there are thousands of examples to be given. ... They never lost their common heritage.  We will see when Turks are divided into four.  EAST:YELLOW WEST:WHITE NORTH:BLACK SOUTH:RED

KAYAK: (the thing that slides) probably related to ÖY (place) and KOY (shore)  KAYA: (rock) and KAY (slide)

The second group was the noble class. Mani was the "meaning" "soul" "maana". They comprehended Mani as the soul over the small pyramids.
The first group of Cumans and Merv is considered the center where Turks originate. Although everything leads to this conclusion, this is very limiting.

 
Wait, Nordic people were a part of the First World Army? It's beyond my imagination how the hell you can believe this ****. All the Muslims saying Mekka is the middle of the world makes more sense than this.

The Cumans imigrated from America 13000 years ago after have been living there for 12000 years? What the hell are your sources other than some pathetic stupid Turk nationalist movement? I mean, even you have to realize how crazy this sound. And there is only 4 classes: Turks, their nobles, their slaves, and cannibals? Right, so until the Cumans came from America to teach the world some civilization and create their massive world empire and found the World Army (which amongst other included the British, Nordic, and Iberian company), every single human was surviving by eating other humans? And last, bow and spear was created by the American-Cuman people, and nobody other had bows or spears 11500 years back, and without a single casualty they managed to create their world empire? Right, the bow and spear was used way before that. Going back to your sources again, seriously, what are they? There isn't any writing from back then, according to Wikipedia (which we all know is made by Turks), the first recorded history starts 4000 BC, but maybe that records the great Turkish empire that was established 7000 years before the author were born?
 
Cruger said:
Wait, Nordic people were a part of the First World Army? It's beyond my imagination how the hell you can believe this ****. All the Muslims saying Mekka is the middle of the world makes more sense than this.

The Cumans imigrated from America 13000 years ago after have been living there for 12000 years? What the hell are your sources other than some pathetic stupid Turk nationalist movement? I mean, even you have to realize how crazy this sound. And there is only 4 classes: Turks, their nobles, their slaves, and cannibals? Right, so until the Cumans came from America to teach the world some civilization and create their massive world empire and found the World Army (which amongst other included the British, Nordic, and Iberian company), every single human was surviving by eating other humans? And last, bow and spear was created by the American-Cuman people, and nobody other had bows or spears 11500 years back, and without a single casualty they managed to create their world empire? Right, the bow and spear was used way before that. Going back to your sources again, seriously, what are they? There isn't any writing from back then, according to Wikipedia (which we all know is made by Turks), the first recorded history starts 4000 BC, but maybe that records the great Turkish empire that was established 7000 years before the author were born?
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They must have passed from Asia to America 25000 years ago because the cultures and languages are proven to be connected. They returned 13000 years ago because at that time climate made them did it and allowance of the landscapes.
 
Okey, one question out of ~10 answered. Great job on keeping your pathetic story toghether..
 
Cruger said:
Okey, one question out of ~10 answered. Great job on keeping your pathetic story toghether..
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That's the big question. It's called Sun Language Theory. When it was first proposed, it suggested that Europeans roots lied in Central Asia and all the languages of the world were derived from Turkish. It was pathetically defended (with really stupid examples) and was left to oblivion. We are keeping finding connections and it once is starting to become known.

1: Europeans started to look for their roots in Central Asia.
2: The Great Inner Sea of Asia that was first proposed by Sun Language Theory have been proven as of today. There still is an Inner Sea but it's underground and it keeps getting smaller.
 
So they're suddenly Cumans? Why the name change? Star iron wielding Kypchaks not good enough for you?

I find the whole cannibal idea hilarious.
If you actually knew anything at all, you'd probably know that cannibalism happens in every culture, all over the human species.
And for two reasons:
1) Hunger.  (people stranded in isolated places like mountains, snowed in cabins, crashed airplanes, deserts and so on.) It's looked at as gross and animal like, but it's what humans sometimes do to survive.
2) Ritual. If you eat someone, their power enters your body and you're a stronger warrior. Or (as some tribes used to do it even in the previous century), you eat your dead relatives and loved ones, as an act of respect.

The idea that tribes of people went around killing and eating other people, because they presumably liked the taste of human flesh has no precedens. If you don't count fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter, or isolated cases of deviants, nothing like that was ever documented on this scale.

What this is - it's a story. It's exactly like the Bible, it makes "your guys" look good, honorable and glorious.

As usual, you just talk. No evidence, no real proof. Just "it was like this, because I think so". Despite the fact it contradicts absolutely everything we know about history from archaeology and written records.
 
ancalimon said:
Cruger said:
Okey, one question out of ~10 answered. Great job on keeping your pathetic story toghether..
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That's the big question. It's called Sun Language Theory. When it was first proposed, it suggested that Europeans roots lied in Central Asia and all the languages of the world were derived from Turkish. It was pathetically defended (with really stupid examples) and was left to oblivion. We are keeping finding connections and it once is starting to become known.

1: Europeans started to look for their roots in Central Asia.
2: The Great Inner Sea of Asia that was first proposed by Sun Language Theory have been proven as of today. There still is an Inner Sea but it's underground and it keeps getting smaller.
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The big question indeed is how you keep this lame (useless, stupid, idiotic, ridicoulous, etc. etc.) theory toghether, but what does a lake in Asia has to do with anything? "Hey, Turks ruled the world in 12000 BC, you know why? Because there is an inner lake in Central Asia!"

Or have I overseen some previous "proofs" and have therefore missed the point of what the sea represent?
 
Cruger said:
ancalimon said:
Cruger said:
Okey, one question out of ~10 answered. Great job on keeping your pathetic story toghether..
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That's the big question. It's called Sun Language Theory. When it was first proposed, it suggested that Europeans roots lied in Central Asia and all the languages of the world were derived from Turkish. It was pathetically defended (with really stupid examples) and was left to oblivion. We are keeping finding connections and it once is starting to become known.

1: Europeans started to look for their roots in Central Asia.
2: The Great Inner Sea of Asia that was first proposed by Sun Language Theory have been proven as of today. There still is an Inner Sea but it's underground and it keeps getting smaller.
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The big question indeed is how you keep this lame (useless, stupid, idiotic, ridicoulous, etc. etc.) theory toghether, but what does a lake in Asia has to do with anything? "Hey, Turks ruled the world in 12000 BC, you know why? Because there is an inner lake in Central Asia!"

Or have I overseen some previous "proofs" and have therefore missed the point of what the sea represent?
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Cruger, remember the ultranationalistic Serbs in our forum?

He's much, much worse.

 
This thread's hilarious  :mrgreen:

Man, I thought I was taking indecent liberties with history, when I threw 11th-century Vikings into combat with 17th-century arquebussiers and the occasional Ming fire-arrow merc left over, one presumes, from a Calradian Golden Horde. 

Nope, this guy wins the prize.  This isn't scholarship, it's:

1.  Citing non-existent evidence.
2.  Deciding that language sounds can mean anything he wants, without bothering to cite linguists.
3.  Deciding that symbols mean anything convenient to his theories, again, without citing a source.
4.  Blatantly disregarding a wealth of evidence that contradicts the theory.
5.  Insisting that lack of evidence provides proof of an important element of a theory, even when Occam's Razor says that it is illogical and irrational.

In short, when an entire theory falls apart because Atlantis hasn't been found, when the archeological and genetic evidence says that Native Americans are related to the Ainu, when a major part of the theory is "supported" by information that's supposedly missing because the Catholics burned it, when you don't know the difference between Aryan, Aryanism and Arian... well, you might not be a credible historian :lol:

I could debunk you all day, but I'd rather just chuckle :mrgreen: 

This is the one of the most epic trolls I've ever seen; it's too bad that the OP is probably not doing this to entertain us :grin:
 
ancalimon said:
Cruger said:
Okey, one question out of ~10 answered. Great job on keeping your pathetic story toghether..
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2: The Great Inner Sea of Asia that was first proposed by Sun Language Theory have been proven as of today. There still is an Inner Sea but it's underground and it keeps getting smaller.
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You know I haven't seen the sun in a week or so, it gets kind of depressing in the winter but reading one of your 'proof' posts always, always brings a smile to me lips.  I thank you sir.
 
xenoargh said:
This thread's hilarious  :mrgreen:

Man, I thought I was taking indecent liberties with history, when I threw 11th-century Vikings into combat with 17th-century arquebussiers and the occasional Ming fire-arrow merc left over, one presumes, from a Calradian Golden Horde. 

Nope, this guy wins the prize.  This isn't scholarship, it's:

1.  Citing non-existent evidence.
2.  Deciding that language sounds can mean anything he wants, without bothering to cite linguists.
3.  Deciding that symbols mean anything convenient to his theories, again, without citing a source.
4.  Blatantly disregarding a wealth of evidence that contradicts the theory.
5.  Insisting that lack of evidence provides proof of an important element of a theory, even when Occam's Razor says that it is illogical and irrational.

In short, when an entire theory falls apart because Atlantis hasn't been found, when the archeological and genetic evidence says that Native Americans are related to the Ainu, when a major part of the theory is "supported" by information that's supposedly missing because the Catholics burned it, when you don't know the difference between Aryan, Aryanism and Arian... well, you might not be a credible historian :lol:

I could debunk you all day, but I'd rather just chuckle :mrgreen: 

This is the one of the most epic trolls I've ever seen; it's too bad that the OP is probably not doing this to entertain us :grin:
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I told you that Ainu were Turks.

Atlantis is a place the ancient Greeks (who have nothing in common with today's Greeks) talked about. They never went to Atlantis, they just heard about its legacy.

I know everything I need to know about Aryan, Arian, Arianism.

They are the same thing in essence. One is a Turkic word called noble- the Proto-Indians called their masters arian while they called themselves non-arian, one is the teachings of Arius, one is a fantastical race of people that later turned into fantastical race of people that talked Indo-European language.
 
Ancalimon, I don't believe you. I honestly don't believe you believe in this piece of ****. Please just admit that you're trolling this forum okay?
 
Well, a few posts back you called the Cumans Neanderthals, now they're noble people who prevent other people from eating each other, I'm confused.

Also, where did these modern Greeks come from if they're not related to those 'other' ancient Greeks?
 
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