rhaeloth
who would have and why would they have beeen considered wizards?
smart people? superstition bad luck?
smart people? superstition bad luck?
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Men in wide brimmed pointy hats speaking in tongues.
"Abracadabra shalomody mitzvah."
But only if they had more money than you and you were jealous. Then you could go to some authority and say: "This man is a sorcerer!"
And they would reply: "No. Go home Giles the Smelly, you've had enough to drink."
Men in wide brimmed pointy hats speaking in tongues.
"Abracadabra shalomody mitzvah."
But only if they had more money than you and you were jealous. Then you could go to some authority and say: "This man is a sorcerer!"
And they would reply: "No. Go home Giles the Smelly, you've had enough to drink."
rhaeloth
i mean... in fact of existence in the older days as we have abra kadraba stereotype..
was there a base of learned people science pioneers etc...
who was it... that the common folk in disbelief and etc as u claim as personal vendetta.
what would excell someone to be a wizard in the eyes of non circulated education/low technological advancement. (no electricity)
was there a base of learned people science pioneers etc...
who was it... that the common folk in disbelief and etc as u claim as personal vendetta.
what would excell someone to be a wizard in the eyes of non circulated education/low technological advancement. (no electricity)
Well, the first blacksmiths were probably thought of as wizards. Men who could take swords from stones.
Healers of course. Mostly that woowoo assumption would be in prehistory and very early bronze ages.
The ancient mathematicians and wise men weren't really considered to be magicians, just intelligent people. Perhaps in some forest deep where people were really lacking technology or relatively advanced practices in labour... they might've viewed people who had the skills as wizards.
As far as I know some of our understanding of the ancient peoples' mindset comes from speculations mostly from the 19th centuries.
That the people were awestruck by somebody who could count to a thousand. In all likelihood the people would've just gone: "Oh, well done! I can now use your expertise to count my sheep and make a profit!"
During the middle ages sorcery would've been more associated with curses and great superstition. But such things have been around for ages so that does not mean it was particular to that era - just more stories survived. Used more as an accusation against rivals and so forth.
And persecution probably wasn't as bad as in stories and movies.
Healers of course. Mostly that woowoo assumption would be in prehistory and very early bronze ages.
The ancient mathematicians and wise men weren't really considered to be magicians, just intelligent people. Perhaps in some forest deep where people were really lacking technology or relatively advanced practices in labour... they might've viewed people who had the skills as wizards.
As far as I know some of our understanding of the ancient peoples' mindset comes from speculations mostly from the 19th centuries.
That the people were awestruck by somebody who could count to a thousand. In all likelihood the people would've just gone: "Oh, well done! I can now use your expertise to count my sheep and make a profit!"
During the middle ages sorcery would've been more associated with curses and great superstition. But such things have been around for ages so that does not mean it was particular to that era - just more stories survived. Used more as an accusation against rivals and so forth.
And persecution probably wasn't as bad as in stories and movies.
rhaeloth
wonderful. so no core class distinction as we have today based from back then?
Medieval persecution of witches has indeed been greatly exaggerated. Then again the 16th and 17th centuries saw a great rise in accusations and trials, especially during times of hardship. Triggers could be anything from a bad harvest or a deadly epidemic to a suspicious death in the community. Prosecution was mostly, however, sporadic and local. Quite a few presumed witches were burnt during the European religious wars, what with the misery they brought. If you're interested in the topic, you may want to have a look at the Malleus Maleficarum(The Hammer of Witches), a medieval textbook explaining how to recognize and deal with witches. Could come in quite handy if you ever run into one.
Fun fact: the last recorded official case of a woman being burnt at the stake on charge of witchcraft took place in Poland in the year 1793! Long live the Enlightenment, and all that.
Fun fact: the last recorded official case of a woman being burnt at the stake on charge of witchcraft took place in Poland in the year 1793! Long live the Enlightenment, and all that.
Bohemond Chesne
Squire
rhaeloth said:
Prior to the witchburning craze the only groups which stand out as being stereotypical secretive societies of wizards and sorcerers are the Templars and Jews.
The rumours about the former were mostly jealousy and the latter got cast out too regularly to be taken seriously in any such regard.
In all honesty while the medieval period was one of belief that belief was not as paranoid as it is portraits in the media.
It's a folkloric thing you know. During the Turkish Empire era, there were several reports of people rumoured to be vampires and the commoners there wanted the officials to investigate and prosecute them.
That wasn't so uncommon before the Turkish era as well.
As for sorcerors, magicians etc., I'd say it also depends on what you consider to be a sorceror/magician etc. After all, for some a witch-doctor is just a doctor, while for other he's a witch...er... magician. Not that people expected a magician to start throwing fireballs or anything. Just like modern "mages" (especially popular in Eastern Europe), inflicting or removing curses (or rather just inventing them) is their usual "job".
As for sorcerors, magicians etc., I'd say it also depends on what you consider to be a sorceror/magician etc. After all, for some a witch-doctor is just a doctor, while for other he's a witch...er... magician. Not that people expected a magician to start throwing fireballs or anything. Just like modern "mages" (especially popular in Eastern Europe), inflicting or removing curses (or rather just inventing them) is their usual "job".
MidnightWolf
Regular
Rasputin.
How... how do you know that?
ok... Alchemy!
matmohair1 said:
Jesus christ, going through all those pictures must be the closest thing out there to hardline hallucinogens.
