Emperor_Danny
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Asen said:Emperor_Danny said:Also if ,as you say they were not greeks were are theese people today?
Assimilated. Like the non-Greek Minoans.
Also, it is little use to use the name of cities to prove Greek origins to all surrounding peoples. Many cities have been known by multiple names. And, if Greek names are all that survive, that merely proves the ascendancy of their history. I'm not disputing that Macedonia was Hellenized at some point, or even that groups of Macedonians were Greek in origin. What I am saying is that the record is unclear and many people who are rational, intelligent, and honest fall on various sides of the issue. Naturally, the Slavs say that Macedon was Slavic. I dismiss that out of hand. Naturally, Greeks claim that Macedon was always Greek. Many of them say that about the peoples they assimilated around the Black Sea and in the Mediterranean (the Eteo-Cretans, the Eteo-Cypriots, the islander aborigines) as well, that the Minoans, even when they spoke no Greek and practiced their own religion, were Greek.
The truth is more complex, and likely the peoples of the Mediterranean and some of the peoples of ancient Anatolia (the Trojans even, potentially) stem from other, ancient civilizations which have long since vanished. The Greek record has survived, but there is no reason to accept it without criticism. After all, so many Greek cultural traits were taken from societies that were definitely non-Greek. Dionysus from Asian ecstatic cults, Attis likewise (he was Phrygian), and the kouros/kore statuary borrowed from the Egyptian style.
The cypriots were myceneans and nowadays they speak one surviving idiom of ancient greek, the Pontians who were condempted to death by the Turkish authorities were non-greeks but they were hellenized and also greek colonies made the region more hellenized. The macedonians (or Makedones, Makednoi) acording to the greek mythology were descentants from the 2 survivors of the cataclysm Deykalion and Pyra. Their first son was Hellin----> Greek (Hellinas) who, acording to the myth became the father of children with names releted to the regions were their descentants were living. This sourse of infos , I think prooves the truth. But actually the truth can be hard to find...