MP Musket Era The Peninsular War - Napoleonic Warband mod - scene editors needed
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Dain Ironfoot
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Bits and pieces, yes... somewhen.
Good.. aside from the fact he ran off, cannons work brilliantly. It'll be nice to have him there overseeing the guns (Artillery officer uniform is really cool)
Emperor_Danny
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That mod should be good!
Highlander
Marquis
Next I'll fix the artillery officer and try to improve the effects. I want to have dust everywhere around the cannons. 
Maybe I'll do grenade ammo for howitzers, too. Canister shots, however, wouldn't turn out well, I'm afraid. I made some shotguns for 1866, but it wasn't that good.
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And I think we have to find a way to make the terrain less hilly, don't we? I mean would any officer choose a hilly terrain for battle? Exept for guerillas maybe. Besides that, such MaB extreme hill terrains don't even exist, I think.
Maybe I'll do grenade ammo for howitzers, too. Canister shots, however, wouldn't turn out well, I'm afraid. I made some shotguns for 1866, but it wasn't that good.
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And I think we have to find a way to make the terrain less hilly, don't we? I mean would any officer choose a hilly terrain for battle? Exept for guerillas maybe. Besides that, such MaB extreme hill terrains don't even exist, I think.
Markus II
Knight
Oooh, artillery. I'm salivating in anticipation Highlander! Well done.
Dain,
Are you sticking to the standard sandbox-style of Native or structuring the campaign more with scripts? If so, how will you represent the balance of forces? The English armies will be penned up behind the Lines of Torres and likely to get hammered by French armies using the standard M&B native system. Would you start the campaign pre-or-post Massena's defeat and call for retreat?
Dain,
Are you sticking to the standard sandbox-style of Native or structuring the campaign more with scripts? If so, how will you represent the balance of forces? The English armies will be penned up behind the Lines of Torres and likely to get hammered by French armies using the standard M&B native system. Would you start the campaign pre-or-post Massena's defeat and call for retreat?
Dain Ironfoot
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Highlander
Well we should have varying terrains and some terrains in which cannon are more or less effective... will have to think about the map.. still trying to think of ideas there.. also need to have a general look at the terrain in the peninsular..
Markus:
Ideally, yes we'd have some kind of scripted campaign. However as I've said before, I am utterly useless at that area.. coasting on Highlander's good will at the moment.. somewhen I'm going to have to bite the bullet and start fiddling more with the module system which'll be a huge roadblock as my time is so so limited. But I will do it.
Will also be related to the map chosen and the historical situation will probably be decided based on that and gameplay. We'll have to see.. I'm taking things one step at a time. But any ideas anyone has will be great! I'm thinking of possibly shifting the time to 1812 to give a more even footing, but we'll see. Definitely leaning towards post Sabugal..
In other news, been on something of a rigging spree. Almost rigged all the uniforms shown + variations..
Also does..
Marie-Louise -Soldat - Caporal - Sergent - Sergent-Major
or for non sous-officiers: soldat - Vielle culotte - Vrai Bougre - briscard
(where due to the lack of a chosen man/lance corporal equivilent, First sergeant (Sergent-Major) is the equivalent of the British sergeant)
sound right?
Well we should have varying terrains and some terrains in which cannon are more or less effective... will have to think about the map.. still trying to think of ideas there.. also need to have a general look at the terrain in the peninsular..
Markus:
Ideally, yes we'd have some kind of scripted campaign. However as I've said before, I am utterly useless at that area.. coasting on Highlander's good will at the moment.. somewhen I'm going to have to bite the bullet and start fiddling more with the module system which'll be a huge roadblock as my time is so so limited. But I will do it.
Will also be related to the map chosen and the historical situation will probably be decided based on that and gameplay. We'll have to see.. I'm taking things one step at a time. But any ideas anyone has will be great! I'm thinking of possibly shifting the time to 1812 to give a more even footing, but we'll see. Definitely leaning towards post Sabugal..
In other news, been on something of a rigging spree. Almost rigged all the uniforms shown + variations..
Also does..
Marie-Louise -Soldat - Caporal - Sergent - Sergent-Major
or for non sous-officiers: soldat - Vielle culotte - Vrai Bougre - briscard
(where due to the lack of a chosen man/lance corporal equivilent, First sergeant (Sergent-Major) is the equivalent of the British sergeant)
sound right?
Emperor_Danny
Banned
Highlander said:
Come for a walk in greece to sea how hilly and rocky is our countryside!
Ben Hussey
Sergeant Knight
Why? Balkan terrain is entirely different to Iberian.
Edited for horrific grammar.
Edited for horrific grammar.
Njiekovic
Sergeant Knight
Highlander said:
Look up Zaro's graphical enhancement thread. He has made a plug-in to make terrain less hilly. Might be of use to you.
Dain: what program do you use for rigging and do you, by any chance, know of any good rigging tutorials (not so much how to learn a rigging program, but to learn how to do the actual rigging of normal armours/clothing)?
von Schweinewitz
Sergeant Knight
Dain asked me to help him with the French ranks. I'm not a specialist in making fancy troop trees, but I'll do my best.
Marie-Louise - Homme de Troupe (instead of 'soldat') - Caporal - Sergent - Sergent-Major
Possibly followed by this ranks: Adjutant-sous-Officier (Senior NCO) - Porte-Aigle ('Eagle-bearer' - actually there were the 1e, 2e and 3e P.-A. carrying the flag) - Sous-Lieutenant and Lieutenant (Company officers).
(OK, that would be a whole bunch of officers running around the battlefield, but at least the Porte-Aigles would be a picturesque addition to the regular troops.)
IMO the terms vielle culotte - vrai Bougre - briscard could very well used for non sous-officiers.
A Line battalion consisted of 6 companies: 4 Fusilier, 1 Voltingeur (light infantry) and 1 Grenadier company.
Accordingly the Light Infantry battalions: 4 Chasseur, 1 Voltingeur and 1 Carabinier company.
So the troop trees for soldiers of Ligne and Légère units could be more or less the same except for the different denotations.
I'm not quite sure about the term 'Marie-Louise'. I know that it was used for the poorly trained and equipped recruits of the years 1813-15, but I can't tell if it was used before that time.
BTW: Found something concerning the Marie-Louises:
Hope this info is of use for you.
EDIT:
If you'll need more uniform plates, let me know.
Marie-Louise - Homme de Troupe (instead of 'soldat') - Caporal - Sergent - Sergent-Major
Possibly followed by this ranks: Adjutant-sous-Officier (Senior NCO) - Porte-Aigle ('Eagle-bearer' - actually there were the 1e, 2e and 3e P.-A. carrying the flag) - Sous-Lieutenant and Lieutenant (Company officers).
(OK, that would be a whole bunch of officers running around the battlefield, but at least the Porte-Aigles would be a picturesque addition to the regular troops.)
IMO the terms vielle culotte - vrai Bougre - briscard could very well used for non sous-officiers.
A Line battalion consisted of 6 companies: 4 Fusilier, 1 Voltingeur (light infantry) and 1 Grenadier company.
Accordingly the Light Infantry battalions: 4 Chasseur, 1 Voltingeur and 1 Carabinier company.
So the troop trees for soldiers of Ligne and Légère units could be more or less the same except for the different denotations.
I'm not quite sure about the term 'Marie-Louise'. I know that it was used for the poorly trained and equipped recruits of the years 1813-15, but I can't tell if it was used before that time.
BTW: Found something concerning the Marie-Louises:
Hope this info is of use for you.
EDIT:
If you'll need more uniform plates, let me know.
Dain Ironfoot
Count
Cool. What I really need now is the exact number of chevrons + sleeve bands for those ranks... as far as I can see a Sergent has no chevrons and a yellow band near his cuff while a Caporal has 2 red chevrons? Have you got any refs as to the exact progression of these? What about Sergent-Major? Is this the same for the voltigeur and grenadier companies.. what about chasseurs? I know some of these ranks change depending on if it's an artillery or cavalry regiment.. do they follow the same system of stripes? Slightly confused here y'see
I'm using the term marie-louise for an untrained recruit.. it was either that or conscript... possibly the french'll have both conscripts and recruits which'll then lead into the standard troop tree.
Just the 3 more uniforms to rig currently. Yay!
I'm using the term marie-louise for an untrained recruit.. it was either that or conscript... possibly the french'll have both conscripts and recruits which'll then lead into the standard troop tree.
Just the 3 more uniforms to rig currently. Yay!
von Schweinewitz
Sergeant Knight
Hell, my brain is mess of English, French and German terms today ... that's the risk of uniformology. But it's getting better now.
1812 uniform:
Sergents (Line Infantry): gold bar on red over the cuff.
Sergent-Majors wore two gold bars on red, Corporals two orange bars. All the same for fusilier, grendadier and voltingeur uniforms.
Sergents (Light Infantry): white chevron over the cuff. Corporals wore two of them. Same for chasseurs, grenadiers and voltingeurs. Not sure about the Sergent-Majors, sorry.
So far, so good. As for the red chevrons that were worn on the upper sleeve: That **** gives me the creeps. Some sources refer to them as 'sevice chevrons' - I'm not sure what that means. (Distinction for good efforts, perhaps?) It is stated that they were used as rank insignia of the Light infantry with the pre-1812 uniforms, but I'm rather confused about that because it is not comprehensible for me regarding the uniform plates I know.
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Artillery and cavalry had similar rank insignia as described above, but there also differences (between several cavalry regiments, Horse and Line artillery etc. etc.
). Maybe we should meditate this question after the infantry uniforms are finished.
1812 uniform:
Sergents (Line Infantry): gold bar on red over the cuff.
Sergent-Majors wore two gold bars on red, Corporals two orange bars. All the same for fusilier, grendadier and voltingeur uniforms.
Sergents (Light Infantry): white chevron over the cuff. Corporals wore two of them. Same for chasseurs, grenadiers and voltingeurs. Not sure about the Sergent-Majors, sorry.
So far, so good. As for the red chevrons that were worn on the upper sleeve: That **** gives me the creeps. Some sources refer to them as 'sevice chevrons' - I'm not sure what that means. (Distinction for good efforts, perhaps?) It is stated that they were used as rank insignia of the Light infantry with the pre-1812 uniforms, but I'm rather confused about that because it is not comprehensible for me regarding the uniform plates I know.
EDIT:
Artillery and cavalry had similar rank insignia as described above, but there also differences (between several cavalry regiments, Horse and Line artillery etc. etc.
). Maybe we should meditate this question after the infantry uniforms are finished.
Dain Ironfoot
Count
Perhaps when I come to do extra variations for veteran units I can stick service chevrons in. In the mean time that info should suffice, thanks very much!
Dain Ironfoot
Count
Got a quick question for anyone... should officers have a small cartridge box about their person (similar to the 95th officer)
Gunfreak
Regular
well if you realy want them, then make a light divion thing, if any redcoat officers had cartridge boxes and or muskets it would be in the light divion, so officers from the 52nd light infantry might have it.
but as you probebly want to keep things simple, then just give them to any officer thats from a light company.
but as you probebly want to keep things simple, then just give them to any officer thats from a light company.
Dain Ironfoot
Count
I'm talking about a small cartridge box slung round the back ala the 95th officer uniform for pistol use. Seems a bit better than keeping spare ammo in your pocket.. Since the 52nd aren't in my mod gunfreak, that comment is 100% unhelpful. This isn't so much from a historical perspective as a gameplay perspective.
Having to re-rig the redcoats... mucked up somewhere.. 95th look good though.
Since the 52nd aren't in my mod gunfreak, that comment is 100% unhelpful. This isn't so much from a historical perspective as a gameplay perspective.Having to re-rig the redcoats... mucked up somewhere.. 95th look good though.
Gunfreak
Regular
sorry for trying to help.
I doubt officers would even carry a pistol and if they did they probebly didn't carry spare ammo, one shot, and thats it. atleast for regular infantry officers,
light company officers if they had a firearm would have a musket not pistol.
but can't you "mod" the cartridge box so it works like Quiver, you only see them on the uniform when the character has ammo on him.
that way if you play a mele only officer, you don't have it, but if you have ammo on you, it shows up. either at the belt or over the shoulder
I doubt officers would even carry a pistol and if they did they probebly didn't carry spare ammo, one shot, and thats it. atleast for regular infantry officers,
light company officers if they had a firearm would have a musket not pistol.
but can't you "mod" the cartridge box so it works like Quiver, you only see them on the uniform when the character has ammo on him.
that way if you play a mele only officer, you don't have it, but if you have ammo on you, it shows up. either at the belt or over the shoulder
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