Reparations and minorities.

[Astor]

Why? We don't demand reperations from the Danes, Norse, French, Germans or Dutch for their behaviour when they conquered our country, why are the first nations any different? Simple fact is, if your country is invaded then you're generally lucky to still exist. Being treat like a ***** is pretty much par for the course. That's life. If you don't like it, try not to lose the country in the first place ...

I think one of my ancestors suffered a slipped disc at Hastings. Can we claim on that?

I do think it's ludicrous that we should have to pay for an 'offense' that we did not give, to those who weren't around to be offended.

 

[Goodknight]

The genocide that the indians went through and the institution of slavery are the worsts things to happen to human beings in recorded history. And they are not over. The atrocities continue to this day simply because some people still view indians and blacks as less than human. This racism is allowed to continue unfettered in the form of many violent groups (KKK, the minutemen etc). In the americas, we are just now beginning to realize the depth of these tragedies, it isn't over with a few marches in the 60s, or electing a minority as president. While these things are wonderful, so much more needs to be done and understood.

I do not know if the tragedy can every be fully brought to light or justice. It would be too small of a gift to simply give money. So much more is required from all of us. Love and understanding is a start. I can say this though, I know that the US gives 15 million dollars per day to one tiny country it is allied with (I will not say the name as it may hijack this thread). The money is there if we want to start with that.

 

[Archonsod]

The genocide that the indians went through and the institution of slavery are the worsts things to happen to human beings in recorded history.

I can think of far worse to be honest. I'd take slavery over a red hot poker up my arse for example.

 

[italiano]

Tell your teacher to keep his politics out of his history classes.

No I don't think minorities should be compensated. Everyone has been exploited throughout history, particularly of the lower classes, and they can be of any race. Why should a white working class man have to compensate a working class man of a minority? What's done is done, so best get over it.

 

[Voutare]

This racism is allowed to continue unfettered in the form of many violent groups (KKK, the minutemen etc).

Bastards took my school mascot, and my state fighting force thingy. Woo Vermont.


And Zaro, guess what:

It isn't even a ****ing History Class. It's English. :/

 

[phillo99]

The genocide that the indians went through and the institution of slavery are the worsts things to happen to human beings in recorded history. And they are not over. The atrocities continue to this day simply because some people still view indians and blacks as less than human. This racism is allowed to continue unfettered in the form of many violent groups (KKK, the minutemen etc). In the americas, we are just now beginning to realize the depth of these tragedies, it isn't over with a few marches in the 60s, or electing a minority as president. While these things are wonderful, so much more needs to be done and understood.

I do not know if the tragedy can every be fully brought to light or justice. It would be too small of a gift to simply give money. So much more is required from all of us. Love and understanding is a start. I can say this though, I know that the US gives 15 million dollars per day to one tiny country it is allied with (I will not say the name as it may hijack this thread). The money is there if we want to start with that.

You do realize that there are only a few thousand kkk members left right? Just because a few thousand people hate blacks doesn't mean that everyone has to pay for them. And what the hell do you mean atrocities? I'm sure that their gang culture kills more of each other than the kkk or any other white supremacy group. As long as there are humans, there will be war and hate. Get your head out of your, "perfect world".

 

[Birger Jarl]

Shouldn't Germany be paying off every single Jew for all eternity, if you go by the same guidelines as the indians and black people? Heck, the Nazis brutalized half of Europe! Naw, let the past be past. The next generations of black people or indians didn't suffer and no matter what we as the next generation of "whities" do, we can not do the harm undone.


Money most certainly won't.

 

[Aendor]

The government should reimburse those first nations families who have suffered and lost family members.  They need to admit what the church did to the first nations people.

Why? We don't demand reperations from the Danes, Norse, French, Germans or Dutch for their behaviour when they conquered our country, why are the first nations any different? Simple fact is, if your country is invaded then you're generally lucky to still exist. Being treat like a ***** is pretty much par for the course. That's life. If you don't like it, try not to lose the country in the first place ...

I kind of see your point though, except what exactly are you referring to?  This is much different than one country invading another.  It's about the forced "education" of thousands of native children, considered by the church to be less than human.

The institutions that did this to them still exist, and still won't tell the survivors where their family members were buried.  But people are now starting to uncover grave sites of children who went to these schools.

 

[Cymro]

I think one of my ancestors suffered a slipped disc at Hastings. Can we claim on that?

In the last 950 years, have you been injured, or had an accident at work or in a public place? Do you seek compensation, but don't know who to contact, or where to start? Why not call Megasure Direct!

[brummie accent]'I was in hastings fighting back the legions of Normen, when I tripped on a mislabeled dead peasant and suffered a slipped disk. The next day, I contacted Megasure Direct, and they sent me a cheque in the post for £250![/brummie]

Remember, where there's a blame, there's a claim! Call megasure direct on
'oh eight hundred nine three foooooooooooooour two two double six!'
Or go to our website at
'megasuredirect.com, megasuredirect, dot, coooooooooooooom!'

 

[Astor]

The genocide that the indians went through and the institution of slavery are the worsts things to happen to human beings in recorded history.

So the... y'know, Holocaust never happened?

In the last 950 years, have you been injured, or had an accident at work or in a public place? Do you seek compensation, but don't know who to contact, or where to start? Why not call Megasure Direct!

[brummie accent]'I was in hastings fighting back the legions of Normen, when I tripped on a mislabeled dead peasant and suffered a slipped disk. The next day, I contacted Megasure Direct, and they sent me a cheque in the post for £250![/brummie]

Remember, where there's a blame, there's a claim! Call megasure direct on
'oh eight hundred nine three foooooooooooooour two two double six!'
Or go to our website at
'megasuredirect.com, megasuredirect, dot, coooooooooooooom!'

[/quote]

I tried ringing, but they were busy... Apparently the Boleyn family want compensation too. 

 

[tommyboy]

I was besieging a castle in france during the Hundred years war, and was given the wrong type of ladder. I slipped and was stabbed in the face and thorax repeatedly.
Ambulance Chasers Direct got me £250.

 

[DanAngleland]

The genocide that the indians went through and the institution of slavery are the worsts things to happen to human beings in recorded history. And they are not over. The atrocities continue to this day simply because some people still view indians and blacks as less than human. This racism is allowed to continue unfettered in the form of many violent groups (KKK, the minutemen etc). In the americas, we are just now beginning to realize the depth of these tragedies, it isn't over with a few marches in the 60s, or electing a minority as president. While these things are wonderful, so much more needs to be done and understood.

I do not know if the tragedy can every be fully brought to light or justice. It would be too small of a gift to simply give money. So much more is required from all of us. Love and understanding is a start. I can say this though, I know that the US gives 15 million dollars per day to one tiny country it is allied with (I will not say the name as it may hijack this thread). The money is there if we want to start with that.

Genocide of Indians? Was there actual organised mass murder of Indians, or just shifting them off the land? Anyway, as terrible as it was to treat the Indians that way, how else could the Europeans have lived alongside them? It'd be interesting to see how people would think of the Indians today if their tribes had survived and their society was the same as it was back then. Would we still kiss their arses and think of them as equals if they hacked off our scalps and paraded them as trophies? Would we not view them as deplorable savages who we couldn't possibly live in peace alongside? There's nowhere in the world where a civilisation so much more advanced than the incumbent population colonises the land and lives peacefully alongside them. We're just lucky we were more advanced than them, else we'd be the ones with our culture largely lost (and with many of our relatives' scalps being waved in our faces). Same goes for the Zulus and any other savages (yes, savages. Judge them as you'd judge a European, like any other human being you consider your mental equal, and they were vicious, cruel savages).

 

[FrisianDude]

The government should reimburse those first nations families who have suffered and lost family members.  They need to admit what the church did to the first nations people.

Why? We don't demand reperations from the Danes, Norse, French, Germans or Dutch for their behaviour when they conquered our country, why are the first nations any different? Simple fact is, if your country is invaded then you're generally lucky to still exist. Being treat like a ***** is pretty much par for the course. That's life. If you don't like it, try not to lose the country in the first place ...

Oi? While I do agree, I wonder, when have the Dutch conquered Great Britland? (You are British, aren't you?)
If you're referring to sea wars the Dutch and English had, you got what was coming to ya! 

 

[Archonsod]

"The Glorious Revolution" ring a bell? A certain William III of Orange who was asked, by parliamentarians, to assist in the overthrow of James II and decided he liked the place so much he'd get himself crowned William III of England?

 

[FrisianDude]

"The Glorious Revolution" ring a bell? A certain William III of Orange who was asked, by parliamentarians, to assist in the overthrow of James II and decided he liked the place so much he'd get himself crowned William III of England?

Ah, yes, right. Thing is, I never considered it as conquest because he was pretty much invited to come there. (And I forgot.) 

 

[italiano]

Love and understanding is a start.

Yes, let's all hold hands and dance around the rainbows with puppy dogs and bunny rabbits.

The money is there if we want to start with that.

No, it's not.

You seem to be quite ignorant of history, as many, many, many, many, many, many, many similar things have happened. Yet, they're largely forgotten and people have moved on.

 

[Goodknight]

There actually was an organized mass murder of indians. Take california for example. As soon as the US stole it from mexico they couldn't wait to come over and shoot every indian dead to settle it. I remember from one book that contained the words of this awful man... "I just didn't have the heart to shoot the little ones with my rifle, had to use the revolver".  The only 'scalping' im aware of  was by settlers scalping indians for bounty and trophies, heck entire human pelts even. It was against the law to be indian pretty much everywhere. And still is for that matter, most indians today go to prison instead of college. Except for the lucky few who thank god have access to casino money, but as much as the news tries to lead people otherwise, thats few and far between. I know for a fact that one casino is run by people who were squatters on the reservation and not even indian, and it was one of the first casinos to go up a while back. I bet quite a number of them are a bit dubious as to their 'heritage' too, wouldn't be surprised if some major banker owned a few to be honest.

Believe me, there is alot misunderstood about indians, and african americans for that matter. Burn your darn TV and use some critical thought, do you think its even remotely possible that a conquering power may oh, LIE, to cover up atrocities? You have to dig a bit to learn the truth, but its there. Yes, indians weren't perfect either, but if you look you will also find that they were not the enemy. They shared so many things with their conquerers, signed so many treaties, and every single time their back was turned WHAM, and another broken treaty.

 

[Astor]

There actually was an organized mass murder of indians. Take california for example. As soon as the US stole it from mexico they couldn't wait to come over and shoot every indian dead to settle it. I remember from one book that contained the words of this awful man... "I just didn't have the heart to shoot the little ones with my rifle, had to use the revolver".  The only 'scalping' im aware of  was by settlers scalping indians for bounty and trophies, heck entire human pelts even. It was against the law to be indian pretty much everywhere. And still is for that matter, most indians today go to prison instead of college. Except for the lucky few who thank god have access to casino money, but as much as the news tries to lead people otherwise, thats few and far between. I know for a fact that one casino is run by people who were squatters on the reservation and not even indian, and it was one of the first casinos to go up a while back. I bet quite a number of them are a bit dubious as to their 'heritage' too, wouldn't be surprised if some major banker owned a few to be honest.

Believe me, there is alot misunderstood about indians, and african americans for that matter. Burn your darn TV and use some critical thought, do you think its even remotely possible that a conquering power may oh, LIE, to cover up atrocities? You have to dig a bit to learn the truth, but its there. Yes, indians weren't perfect either, but if you look you will also find that they were not the enemy. They shared so many things with their conquerers, signed so many treaties, and every single time their back was turned WHAM, and another broken treaty.

Taking revisionism a bit too far, aren't you?

 

[Archonsod]

Maybe if you take it far enough it bends back around to fact?

 

[DanAngleland]

There actually was an organized mass murder of indians. Take california for example. As soon as the US stole it from mexico they couldn't wait to come over and shoot every indian dead to settle it. I remember from one book that contained the words of this awful man... "I just didn't have the heart to shoot the little ones with my rifle, had to use the revolver".  The only 'scalping' im aware of  was by settlers scalping indians for bounty and trophies, heck entire human pelts even. It was against the law to be indian pretty much everywhere. And still is for that matter, most indians today go to prison instead of college. Except for the lucky few who thank god have access to casino money, but as much as the news tries to lead people otherwise, thats few and far between. I know for a fact that one casino is run by people who were squatters on the reservation and not even indian, and it was one of the first casinos to go up a while back. I bet quite a number of them are a bit dubious as to their 'heritage' too, wouldn't be surprised if some major banker owned a few to be honest.

Believe me, there is alot misunderstood about indians, and african americans for that matter. Burn your darn TV and use some critical thought, do you think its even remotely possible that a conquering power may oh, LIE, to cover up atrocities? You have to dig a bit to learn the truth, but its there. Yes, indians weren't perfect either, but if you look you will also find that they were not the enemy. They shared so many things with their conquerers, signed so many treaties, and every single time their back was turned WHAM, and another broken treaty.

Well, I may have overreacted a bit in my post (quite a lot perhaps!), the Europeans were pretty ruthless and inhuman in some ways towards them. But at the same time, I don't think it was ever going to be possible for them to live in harmony. The indians were like a people from another age compared to the Europeans, and they were never going to be able to coexist.