rgodfrey said:Let's go to the book of psalms. The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;
Psa 20:2 Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;
Psa 20:3 Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah.
Psa 20:4 Grant thee according to thine own heart, and fulfil all thy counsel.
Psa 20:5 We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions.
I feel like its time to set the banner. In the Hebrew when the banner was set it meant the struggle was over and the hill was taken, and they were in possession of it. Each tribe had its own banner. The tribe of Judah was a lion etc. And when they went into battle everybody headed for the hill. And they set that banner or Dagal. It meant that we whipped the enemy. That I put my number 11 sandal to his gluteus maximus. I want to raise up the banner tonight that God promised all you that are born again the victory. I'd rather have the mafia and the communist party after me than a mama that knows how to pray. There's power payer kiddies.
When Jesus went to the cross he was setting the banner of the ages. He was saying to every generation and age that the devil is beat. Son 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love. He set a banner over me that the devil can't get under.
The USA had one of the greatest fighting forces ever know during the uwajima war with japan. Kinda like koa among the rest. These men didn't care about (writing) style, they didn't care about protocol. They went in and took beaches and jungles. The Japanese had a group of marines surrounded one day. I am talking about 30 marines against a thousand Japanese. A officer called into the Sargent on the hill that was surround and said, is there anything we can do to help you? The Sargent said yeah, send us more Japanese! There was this guy who was a backslider in the church who joined the marine corp and went to Vietnam.
He spent 18 months in Nam and never went into town one time. He got hooked on killing. He loved to kill. He carried scalps of the enemy all around his body. He said there is something about killing that I love. One night they helicoptered him and 500 hundred other marines onto a hill and they said you hold that hill until our forces can fight our way to it. They got him and 5 other guys on top of that hill. It wasn't long until they started catching a lot of machine gun fire.
He said they got a call on the radio that they were going to be alone on the hill until the next morning. He said they watched those helicopters leave andr they were on the hill just the five of them. He said those Vietnamese charged us and I killed men until my hand froze to the gun. Showing me pictures as far as the eye could see of bodies of the men they killed. He said they held the hill all night. Then about daylight one of them got a position on me and shot me in the back with a rifle. The blood shot out about three feet into the air he was told. The cor man walked over to him put his finger in the whole and said, Sargent, I don't know how to tell you this, but your dying.
He said I can't die because I am a back slider, and I got a mama in flint Michigan who is praying for me. In a church service that very moment his mother stood up and said I don't know whats going on but we need to pray for my son Larry. And the church started to pray for him. There was a old helicopter pilot called sky pilot, because he smoked dope every time before going up. He liked to get high and listen to rock music when he went in after people.
They said don't go in after the Sargent because him and the four men with him are dead, There is no hope for them. He just turned the radio off. He said I don't know why but something told me I had to get that man off that hill. He said I landed that thing in the wind with machine gun bullets flying. I dropped that rope and they rapped it around the man that was supposed to be dead. I brought him back up and flew him into the night hospital. And today that boy is a Pentecostal preacher pasturing a Pentecostal church.
Christians need to get some valor. To rise up and get in the devils face. Find your backbone child of God. It's time to get the banner set! When that backslid boy came back from Vietnam after being in the hospital for months God refilled him with the holyghost before he even got home. He was called to preach and he was preaching a revival in Chicago. And he got up on night and started talking about Calvary. And he said I want to tell you about a hill I was on.
And he told the date and he told the time on that hill. And he said someone I never knew cared enough to lay his life down to pick me up off that hill and save my life. All of a sudden a big old boy with a long beard stood up in the church and said, Hey preacher! I was that helicopter pilot! Hallelujah! He said I thought you looked familiar! He run off the platform and they ran into each others arms! He said thank you! Thank you! And that old helicopter pilot received the baptism of the holy ghost! Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
rgodfrey said:I seen this and about lost control of bodily fluids
Magorian Aximand said:Computica, you missed the point. The point of the video (in direct counter to your assertion that is that as the creator of life and the universe he's absolved from culpability) is that being a creator and caregiver does not give anyone the excuse to maim and torture and kill. No. Matter. What.
And it's funny you cite an example where the person being punished is fortunate enough to have a chance to improve his situation, because most people in the bible aren't afforded that chance. The 42 children who called Elisha bald? Torn to pieces by bears. Innocent children in Canaan? Slaughtered. And even for the people you'll argue were not so innocent, remember, that when they die they go to hell. There is no coming back from that. You are tortured for ever. There is nothing constructive about that. The only purpose hell can serve is vengeance. Which is wholly incompatible with a supposedly loving god.
rebelsquirrell said:Magorian Aximand said:Computica, you missed the point. The point of the video (in direct counter to your assertion that is that as the creator of life and the universe he's absolved from culpability) is that being a creator and caregiver does not give anyone the excuse to maim and torture and kill. No. Matter. What.
And it's funny you cite an example where the person being punished is fortunate enough to have a chance to improve his situation, because most people in the bible aren't afforded that chance. The 42 children who called Elisha bald? Torn to pieces by bears. Innocent children in Canaan? Slaughtered. And even for the people you'll argue were not so innocent, remember, that when they die they go to hell. There is no coming back from that. You are tortured for ever. There is nothing constructive about that. The only purpose hell can serve is vengeance. Which is wholly incompatible with a supposedly loving god.
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."-King James
"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"- New International Version
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!"
See a pattern?
"Little children" is a translation issue.
Elisha was on a wilderness road on his way to be taken to heaven. 42 thugs came outside the safety of town into the wilderness to harass Elisha.
These people were likely 13-18, many still children by our standards.
One may argue that excessive force was used, as it is not stated whether the people posed a threat to Elisha. However one may not say the event was immoral because toddlers were killed, as they weren't toddlers.
Argue as you will from any other angle on Elisha and the bears, and argue as you will on the problem of hell.
rebelsquirrell said:Magorian Aximand said:Computica, you missed the point. The point of the video (in direct counter to your assertion that is that as the creator of life and the universe he's absolved from culpability) is that being a creator and caregiver does not give anyone the excuse to maim and torture and kill. No. Matter. What.
And it's funny you cite an example where the person being punished is fortunate enough to have a chance to improve his situation, because most people in the bible aren't afforded that chance. The 42 children who called Elisha bald? Torn to pieces by bears. Innocent children in Canaan? Slaughtered. And even for the people you'll argue were not so innocent, remember, that when they die they go to hell. There is no coming back from that. You are tortured for ever. There is nothing constructive about that. The only purpose hell can serve is vengeance. Which is wholly incompatible with a supposedly loving god.
"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."-King James
"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"- New International Version
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!"
See a pattern?
"Little children" is a translation issue.
Elisha was on a wilderness road on his way to be taken to heaven. 42 thugs came outside the safety of town into the wilderness to harass Elisha.
These people were likely 13-18, many still children by our standards.
One may argue that excessive force was used, as it is not stated whether the people posed a threat to Elisha. However one may not say the event was immoral because toddlers were killed, as they weren't toddlers.
Argue as you will from any other angle on Elisha and the bears, and argue as you will on the problem of hell.
rebelsquirrell said:"I shall mention but a few, because they are sufficiently decisive: Isaac was called rn naar when twenty-eight years old, Gen. xxi. 5-12; and Joseph was so called when he was thirty-nine, Gen. xli."
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/814193
That is from a answer bag page, something I would rather not use, but I can't seem to find any quality resources on the interwebs regarding Hebrew translations.
If this checks out then there are your examples, also he states something about rn naar. I am unsure what rn denotes.
As far as your point with Computica, I never contested the premise that it was excessive. I even pointed out that one could easily argue that.
TARDIS said:That's an extremely vague atheist's argument. Supposedly, God gave you free will so you can choose rather than be forced to habeeb it.