[Werewolf] Werewolf: Black Death - Daybreak Day 6 - Crypto-flagellants win!
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Whoopin
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@AWdeV
Also I was thinking that you should threaten (put your knife to their neck) at least Llandy and ejnomad, and see what they say before you make a decision.
Both of them have suggested to players that only voted to lynched them with "alternatives" of being put on Watch or being voted for Lurker.
I find that really suspicious, cause I only voted for Llandy and she was like "pls wait day 2!" A knife should provide more intel before you silence her.
Also I was thinking that you should threaten (put your knife to their neck) at least Llandy and ejnomad, and see what they say before you make a decision.
Both of them have suggested to players that only voted to lynched them with "alternatives" of being put on Watch or being voted for Lurker.
I find that really suspicious, cause I only voted for Llandy and she was like "pls wait day 2!" A knife should provide more intel before you silence her.
@Xardob:
Also, if you think both Llandy and Whoopin are innocent, why haven't you stepped in to try and stop Whoopin from continuously going after her?
@Orj:
Xardob believes you are very good at reading him - what is your gut feeling so far?
Also, if you think both Llandy and Whoopin are innocent, why haven't you stepped in to try and stop Whoopin from continuously going after her?
@Orj:
Xardob believes you are very good at reading him - what is your gut feeling so far?
We have an impending death in the family, so I'm going to be gone for a bit. If you think it benefits the town then feel free to lynch me (I'm a plain Jane innocent and I've been very distracted here lately), but please remember to present an actual argument in favor of my lynch. It doesn't help the town at all to say 'me too' or to just jump on the bandwagon.
@Whoopin:
Hmm, good question. I do not necessarily agree with all of her points against you, but I feel her vote on Moss instead of you is justified since Moss has done little hunting and going hard after one player is more problematic than trying to pressure others in my view. Although you see her reasons only being (at best) "suspicious" vs "very suspicious," players do have differences in ho much weight they give different reasons.
In regards to the second post, I see where you are coming from, but my view of it is this:
So if we were to assign "potential wolf" and "potential innocent" values, my guess is you would be 7:5 while Moss would be 8:3, or something like that. Your "lower end" of the spectrum is potentially wolfy, so while she can see how Xardob could consider Moss innocent (his "lower end" is on the innocent side), she has trouble believing that for you, but Moss's wolfy side is more suspicious than yours is so her vote is still there.
This probably makes no sense, but that is how I interpret it.
Hmm, good question. I do not necessarily agree with all of her points against you, but I feel her vote on Moss instead of you is justified since Moss has done little hunting and going hard after one player is more problematic than trying to pressure others in my view. Although you see her reasons only being (at best) "suspicious" vs "very suspicious," players do have differences in ho much weight they give different reasons.
In regards to the second post, I see where you are coming from, but my view of it is this:
- While she thinks Moss's play can be seen as potentially innocent, she is leaning a lot more towards wolf
- She thinks your play cannot be seen as very innocent, but is slightly less wolfy than Moss
- She is surprised Xardob doesn't think you are wolfy because, according to her analysis, you play has less of a potential innocent value than Moss has
So if we were to assign "potential wolf" and "potential innocent" values, my guess is you would be 7:5 while Moss would be 8:3, or something like that. Your "lower end" of the spectrum is potentially wolfy, so while she can see how Xardob could consider Moss innocent (his "lower end" is on the innocent side), she has trouble believing that for you, but Moss's wolfy side is more suspicious than yours is so her vote is still there.
This probably makes no sense, but that is how I interpret it.
She might also think there more of a risk to lynch you rather than Moss on Day 1 in terms of potential usefulness, which would factor into a vote.
Whoopin
Grandmaster Knight
Phonemelter said:
Also consider that Moss isnt here to defend himself at the moment, and the strategy to pressure him is non existent. She apparently isnt worried about OMGUSing Moss but wont OMGUS me.
But my deceptive radar spikes when someone doesnt follow through with their convictions. She vehemently objects to me being innocent and goes on a 4 paragraph rant about it, and then simply mentions that Moss is debatable.
I wouldn't exactly say she has OMGUS'd Moss.
Whoopin said:
If AW believes your accusations about me, then he SHOULD stab me.
You're so intent on lynching me, and I believe it's because there are innocents on my wagon and you want to incriminate them along with yourself. So I say this to AWdeV: If you decide that Whoopin is indeed correct about me, then please, use the knife on me instead of letting him lynch me. At least then you and everyone else will see how brilliant his ego-guesses are and he won't potentially drag a bunch of innocents down with him.
Whoopin said:
I didn't say I was pressuring Moss. I said "let's see what happens when I /vote Moss"
Ie, I wanted to see how other people react. And you know, you reacted exactly as I predicted you would. I didn't say anything sooner because I didn't want to influence what you did by predicting it. I would have been disappointed if you'd reacted in any other way but you did just what I knew you would.
OMGUS you? Dude, if I had the knife right now I'd frigging stab you for that emotional blackmail "I don't want to be kicked out so soon, I want to play the game which was inspired by mine" nonsense you just pulled. Like AW said, nobody wants to be kicked outta the game so soon, but to pull THAT is just low.
(sorry typos = raki)
It's difficult to explain why someone is innocent. Let's just say I think they're being honest in what they're doing.Phonemelter said:
Why should I?Phonemelter said:
And merry Christmas to everyone. I'll probably be around later, but I doubt I'll be making any sense even if I post anything.
Shatari said:
Sorry to hear that
Lurker: Shatari
I don't think it's fair to lynch you, in case you want to resume playing the game when you get back, but I don't want to leave you sitting around in case we do have a converter, you'd be a sitting duck. So I'll vote to put you in the pillory for one night, to give you some time to decide what you want to do etc.
Take care, man.
Xardob said:
Because if you think they are both innocents, then wouldn't it make sense to encourage them to move onto more productive conversation? Though I guess there are reasons why it wouldn't make a difference either way.
Whoopin
Grandmaster Knight
Pharaoh X Llandy said:
AWdeV asked me who I would stab so I gave him my answers, maybe you should also list your top 3 stab targets and why, maybe it will help him make a decision.
How did I act according to your prediction precisely? I love that strategy! Did I act wolfy or innocent? I still think its very suspicious that you vote Moss but really objected to Xardob considering me innocent. That right there is deception.
About the emotional blackmail, well it was just me stating whats on my mind - something you do all the time. Also I dont think that reasoning will change AWdeVs mind however the "ask me why and maybe I can clarify did". That was the reason we are having this conversation now.
I also find anyone that says "go ahead and stab/lynch me and youll see Im innocent and you made a mistake" suspicious cause that is Wolfy WiFoM 101.
Phonemelter said:
You know that if Xardob defends me or tells Whoopin to give over he's only proving himself my packmate in Whoopin's eyes
And if Xardob DID defend me I'd probably think him scummy anyway, because trying to "defend" an innocent from being lynched is EXACTLY what he did in Dwarfcraft when he was on his "I'm trying to save ejnomad and Magorian
" campaign.Better if he's innocent to just keep clear.
