NE Sieges & Scenes Pack - get a second ladder for your sieges! 9th Jan. 2013

[Lord Samuel]

Native Expansion for the original M&B featured a Siege Scene Pack, which main function was to add a second ladder to every siege scenes in game.
Warband, featuring a brand new Worldmap, needed its own SSP. There are a few Siege Packs out there, really good work, too, but I found them maybe over the top, adding series of new walls and covering them with ladders that the attackers will ignore anyway.
The siege pack I wanted was to look like Native, only better.
And then I also added new scenes : harbours for Tihr and Rivacheg, beaches for coastal villages, etc.

Version for Native Expansion only (WB 1.153):

SSP FOR NATIVE EXPANSION ONLY

Download full pack for NE:WB (zip - 5.36 Mo)

100% SAVEGAME COMPATIBLE

OR

For all other games using the Native Worldmap (WB 1.153):

SSP FOR ALL NATIVE WORLDMAPS

Download full pack for NATIVE WORLDMAPS (zip - 5.36 Mo)

100% SAVEGAME COMPATIBLE

Usable with Native and any mod using Native Worldmap (such as Diplomacy, PBOD, ...)

INSTALLATION
FOR NATIVE EXPANSION

• Download "Native Expansion Version" pack from source or mirror
• Unzip it directly in your Warband\Modules\Native Expansion\ folder, overwriting the original files (scenes.txt and many ".sco" files should be overwritten).
• To check that you have the latest version, go to the village of Balanli and check if there's a beach.

FOR ALL OTHER NATIVE MODS (Diplomacy, PBOD, ...)

• Download "Native version" of the pack from source or mirror
• Unzip it directly in your Warband\Modules\Native\ folder, overwriting the original files (scenes.txt and many ".sco" files should be overwritten).
• To check that you have the latest version, go to the village of Balanli and check if there's a beach.

NOTES

• This Scene pack is 100% SAVEGAME COMPATIBLE. Also, I tried to keep scene props as Native as possible.
• This pack is about scenes (landscape) only: its "Native Version" won't affect any other part of the game and is 100% compatible with any mods using a Native Worldmap, such as Diplomacy or PBOD

HISTORY

• Dec. 23: New coastal scenes added: Azgad, Gisim, Aldelen, Kulum, Buillin, Rizi, Fearichen, Jayek, Odasan, Ruvar, now have a beach scene. Gisim was completely remade from scratch, and Ruvar was copied from Fearichen.
  
  • Oct. 26: a new version of the Pack has been released. There is now one version for Native Expansion, and one for all other Native Mods (see above). Similarly, two different scenes.txt were released: one for Native Expansion, and another for Native.
  • Sept. 10: First Edition of the NEWB-SSP is released.

THE GREAT TABLE OF SIEGE SCENES

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Category	Number	Name	Faction	Siege props
town	1	Sargoth	Nord	2 ladders
town	2	Tihr	Nord	2 ladders
town	3	Veluca	Rhodok	2 ladders
town	4	Suno	Swadia	2 ladders
town	5	Jelkala	Rhodok	2 ladders
town	6	Praven	Swadia	2 ladders
town	7	Uxkhal	Swadia	2 ladders
town	8	Reyvadin	Vaegir	2 ladders
town	9	Khudan	Vaegir	2 ladders
town	10	Tulga	Khergit	2 ladders
town	11	Curaw	Vaegir	2 ladders
town	12	Wercheg	Nord	2 ladders
town	13	Rivacheg	Vaegir	Tower+ladder
town	14	Halmar	Khergit	2 ladders
town	15	Yalen	Rhodok	2 ladders
town	16	Dhirim	Swadia	Tower
town	17	Ichamur	Khergit	2 ladders
town	18	Narra	Khergit	2 ladders
town	19	Shariz	Sarranid	2 ladders
town	20	Durquba	Sarranid	2 ladders
town	21	Ahmerrad	Sarranid	2 ladders
town	22	Bariyye	Sarranid	3 ladders
castle	1	Culmarr Castle	Rhodok	Tower+ladder
castle	2	Malayurg Castle	Khergit	Tower+ladder
castle	3	Bulugha Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	4	Radoghir Castle	Vaegir	Tower
castle	5	Tehlrog Castle	Nord	2 ladders
castle	6	Tilbaut Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	7	Sungetche Castle	Khergit	Tower+ladder
castle	8	Jeirbe Castle	Vaegir	Tower
castle	9	Jamiche Castle	Rhodok	Tower+ladder
castle	10	Alburq Castle	Nord	2 ladders
castle	11	Curin Castle	Nord	Tower
castle	12	Chalbek Castle	Nord	2 ladders
castle	13	Kelredan Castle	Swadia	Tower
castle	14	Maras Castle	Rhodok	2 ladders
castle	15	Ergellon Castle	Rhodok	2 ladders
castle	16	Almerra Castle	Rhodok	2 ladders
castle	17	Distar Castle	Khergit	2 ladders
castle	18	Ismirala Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	19	Yruma Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	20	Derchios Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	21	Ibdeles Castle	Rhodok	Tower+ladder
castle	22	Unuzdaq Castle	Khergit	2 ladders
castle	23	Tevarin Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	24	Reindi Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	25	Ryibelet Castle	Swadia	Tower
castle	26	Senuzgda Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	27	Rindyar Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	28	Grunwalder Castle	Rhodok	2 ladders
castle	29	Nelag Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	30	Asugan Castle	Khergit	2 ladders
castle	31	Vyincourd Castle	Swadia	2 ladders
castle	32	Knudarr Castle	Nord	2 ladders
castle	33	Etrosq Castle	Rhodok	2 ladders
castle	34	Hrus Castle	Nord	Tower+ladder
castle	35	Haringoth Castle	Swadia	Tower
castle	36	Jelbegi Castle	Nord	2 ladders
castle	37	Dramug Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	38	Tulbuk Castle	Khergit	Tower+ladder
castle	39	Slezkh Castle	Vaegir	2 ladders
castle	40	Uhhun Castle	Khergit	Tower+ladder
castle	41	Jameyyed Castle	Sarranid	Tower+ladder
castle	42	Teramma Castle	Sarranid	Tower
castle	43	Sharwa Castle	Sarranid	Tower+ladder
castle	44	Durrin Castle	Sarranid	2 ladders
castle	45	Caraf Castle	Sarranid	2 ladders
castle	46	Weyyah Castle	Sarranid	2 ladders
castle	47	Samarra Castle	Sarranid	2 ladders
castle	48	Bardaq Castle	Sarranid	2 ladders

SCREENSHOTS


RHODOK SIEGE SCENES

Grunwalder Castle

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Jamiche Castle

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Almerra Castle

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Ibdeles Castle

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Ergellon Castle

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Etrosq Castle

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Culmarr Castle

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Maras Castle

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Veluca had a nice set of Large Siege Shields.

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Yalen also had a nice set of Large Siege Shields.

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Jelkala had a nice set of Large Siege Shields as well.

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SWADIAN SIEGE SCENES

Reindi Castle

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Rindyar Castle is a bit... difficult. Sometimes, the Attacker's Army won't use the 2nd ladder, sometimes it will. Don't know why, exactly. Tried everything. The reinforcement wave will do exactly the contrary, though. It won't take the 1st ladder.

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Derchios Castle

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Kelredan Castle

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Ryibelet Castle

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Tevarin Castle

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Senuzgda Castle

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Haringoth Castle

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Vyincourd Castlealready had 2 ladders.

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Tilbaut Castle will have the Attacker often prefer the smaller ladder. Why? No idea.

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Dhirim

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Uxhal

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Suno already had 2 ladders. But I had to move Entry Point so that the attacker's army actually take the 2nd ladder.

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Praven is awesome in Vanilla. Just added a few boats on the beach, then a 2nd ladder

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NORD SIEGE SCENES

Chalbek Castle was very much... blank. A castle, put on plain ground. It now comes with a nice scenery.

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Hrus Castle

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Knudarr Castle

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Tehlrog Castle has a particularity: the trees are hardcoded in the terrain (!). Meaning you can't remove them. Weird.

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Curin Castle, now has a nice siege camp, complete with its fog of war.

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Alburq Castle was too small to add another ladder on another wall. So I put the 2 ladders side by side, creating a kind of very large ladder.

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Jelbegi Castle was a difficult one. Ladder n°2 is ignored by the Attackers. Don't know why, tried everyting.

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Tihr, originally a wooden castle in a standard plain landscape, was remade to match the complete redesign of its Town Center (a fortified harbour). I put it on a beach, too.

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Sargoth's walls were extended. Because Sargoth, capital of the Nord, can't be a small wooden castle. Also added a river, a bridge, a few village houses.

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Wercheg

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VAEGIR SIEGE SCENES

Bulugha Castle

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Jeirbe Castle

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Ismirala Castle

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Radoghir Castle

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Dramug Castle

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Nelag Castle

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Yruma Castle

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Slezkh Castle

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Rivacheg

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Curaw

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Khudan

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Reyvadin had its walls extended, and got a gatehouse

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KHERGIT SIEGE SCENES

Asugan Castle

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Distar Castle

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Malayurg Castle

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Sungetche Castle

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Tulbuk Castle

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Uhhun Castle

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Unuzdaq Castle

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Halmar

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Ichamur

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Narra

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Tulga had its walls considerably extended. Added a few things and a gatehouse

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SARRANID SIEGE SCENES

Bardaq Castle

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Caraf Castle

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Durrin Castle

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Jameyyed Castle

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Samarra Castle

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Sharwa Castle

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Teramma Castle

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Weyyah Castle got a few new scene props

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Ahmerrad

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Bariyye's siege now begins in the middle of the Palm grove- DOWNLOAD SCENE (Original scene)

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Durquba also has its little Oasis

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Shariz already had two ladders. Extended the walls, added a few things, introduced a gatehouse

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[Captain_Octavius]

- Enter a Siege Scene (attacking the castle is the simplest way, but maybe we could use a "Scene Chooser" tool?)

I'm pretty sure that if you enable cheat mode, you'll get a ton of options to enter all kinds of different scenes at the town/castle menu when you travel there. That way you don't have to actually siege the castle/town ingame, which might be annoying with counter attacks etc.

I might apply for this, but I need to think it over a bit. Maybe I don't have time. I'll let you know if I'll help.

[Pellagus]

Wowsers. Thanks for starting this thread, Lord Samuel. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[Chadwiick]

I wouldn't mind helping, Patience is one my attributes. Unfortunately I am out of town and able to snag up some internet once in a week if I am lucky. I'll be back on the 22nd.

PS. I have plenty of free time, so if you can catch me while I'm on I'll certainly do by best to whatever signed. If you'd like to pick me up.

[Lord Samuel]

DOCUMENTATION

Nordous' Sceners Guild

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CITY SIEGES
0 - Attackers spawn point(including the player, when attacking)
3 - Sally out spawn point.
10 - Defend point, where infantry units of the defender gather to defend
11 - Defenders Infantry spawn point(including the player, when defending)
15 - Reinforcement for the defenders spawn point
40-46 - Archer spawn points. I also add 47 point. It seems a bit buggy. Atleast in early warband versions they had spawned archers, when the battlesize is large
50-55 Siege towers "Path".

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Sources:

• http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,88281.msg2278460.html#msg2278460
• http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,6575.msg1715114.html#msg1715114

Entry Points (Spawn Points)
Villages;
00 - Player
01 - ?
02 - Player when 'training' villager militia (from the "Train peasants" quest).
03 - Bandit infestation spawn point
04 - Villager militia 'training' spawn point (from the "Train peasants" quest)
09 - Villager point of interest (villagers will stay there for a while before moving on)
10 - Villager point of interest
11 - Village Elder
12 - Villager point of interest
30 - 40 - Village Walkers
45 - Fugitive from Lord quest

Town Centres;
00 - Player when entering on foot
01 - Player when entering on horseback
02 - Player when getting out of the Castle
03 -
04 - Player when getting out of the Tavern
05 - Player when getting out of the Shop
06 - Player when getting out of the Arena
07 - Player when getting out of the Prison
08 -
09 - Armor Merchant
10 - Weaponsmith
11 - Guild Master
12 - Horse Merchant
23 - Castle Guard
24 - Prison Guard
25&26 - High Level Guards
27&28 - Low Level Guards
30-40 - Town Walkers

Castle Indoors (In cities or in castles)
0 - Player
6&7 - Guards
16-24 - Lords

Castle Outdoors
40-42 Guards

Taverns
00 - Player
09 - Tavern Keeper
16-24 - Tavern guests (Mercenaries, Travellers, etc.)

Passages
In ALL CITY SCENES (Castle, Tavern, Street, Shop)
00 - Castle
02 - Castle
03 - Town Centre
04 - Tavern
05 - Shop
06 - Arena
07 - Prison

In castles;
0 - Inside
7 - Prison
8 - Courtyard

[Pellagus]

I'm working on some new textures for troops at the moment, so I can't be much help with this. Sorry Lord Samuel.

Anybody else that can do anything, your help would be greatly appreciated!

[Notsure]

i recall that someone already made something similar http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,132920.0.html
I remember it was used in floris mod but contained some buggy screnes like knutar castle (sp) which was untakable without auto resolve.It might not be perfect but hopefully it will simplify the work.

The link in the last post seems to be a reworked version of it which fix alot of bugs so it might not be as flawed as when i tried it.

[Lord Samuel]

Thanks for the link. I don't know about it, though. They have added not only a ladder, but an entire wall to each castle.
Maybe it's just too much...

[Notsure]

Ive always found the siege scenes too small personally so it kinda suits me.Floris 2.4 has the pack i linked and siege scenes actually make sense now where your not immediately bombarded by trowing weapons but you actually have the time to use different strategies to get trough.

[Lord Samuel]

Maybe you're right. Maybe it's too much for Native Expansion. After all, we just want "better Native", not a fully reworked Mod.

Oh, well. I'll test his Siege Pack, then, and share my impressions.

That guy Smarmellows seems to have been very keen on doing a really decent job.

[Notsure]

Yeah , got to love perfectionist's he also fixed most of the buggy stairs and ladders.

[Pellagus]

Smarmellows posted here quite a lot. I wonder if he's still around.

I'll have to download that siege pack and try it as well.

[Carnivorious]

You have my mouse at your command What castle's/towns are done already?

[Lord Samuel]

You have my mouse at your command What castle's/towns are done already?

Enthusiasm!

But before we get into this, we need yet to test Smarmellows' Siege Pack, as we said. Maybe it's good enough...
I won't be able to check it myself before next week.

Maybe you could? And share your feelings about it?

[Carnivorious]

You have my mouse at your command What castle's/towns are done already?

Enthusiasm!

But before we get into this, we need yet to test Smarmellows' Siege Pack, as we said. Maybe it's good enough...
I won't be able to check it myself before next week.

Maybe you could? And share your feelings about it?

I'll do my best But, would it be testing in compatibility with NE or just basic experiences and feelings about it?