pictures of historical accurate replicas needed (weapons, armors, etc.)
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Skandinav
Grandmaster Knight
Linen would be the predominant fabric to make light armors of, contrary to the leather armor myth.
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@trinkoff, the other images you've posted are viable but those 9-10th century Vikings are not representable of the mod's period as some of the featured armaments ( for example the Gjermundbu helmet ) is specifically dated to the late Viking Age.
On the other hand the Thor's hammers sported by some of the Vikings would be neat to see on for example the Jutes ( the oldest surviving Thor's hammer is actually from the 6th century British Isles ), and also emphasizes the foreign customs/religions of the invading tribes.
edit :
@trinkoff, the other images you've posted are viable but those 9-10th century Vikings are not representable of the mod's period as some of the featured armaments ( for example the Gjermundbu helmet ) is specifically dated to the late Viking Age.
On the other hand the Thor's hammers sported by some of the Vikings would be neat to see on for example the Jutes ( the oldest surviving Thor's hammer is actually from the 6th century British Isles ), and also emphasizes the foreign customs/religions of the invading tribes.
The Poot
Sergeant at Arms
Skandinav said:
True, thats 10th,11th century when it starts to be used
Here is a close up to chain mail if need
Also here is a great article about Armour as well
The Poot said:
Great article, thanks you. I think that BrustwarzenLenny like read this.
Skandinav said:
It will be interesting most information about linen armor
In Spain, ancient people had linen breastplates (corazas), it would not be surprising that there was something similar in the Middle Ages.
Helmets like the one of Sutton Hoo were only ceremonial stuff, weren't they?
Recreation groups have use it with success in fight. although it difficult to sight and hearing, it helped to recognize the leader, (and his prestige) to frighten the enemy and protect the head.
The Poot
Sergeant at Arms
Idibil said:Recreation groups have use it with success in fight. although it difficult to sight and hearing, it helped to recognize the leader, (and his prestige) to frighten the enemy and protect the head.
Yep exactly. Maybe in the future the troop trees could be like that
where the higher up has a helm like that, or overall better armour
Brody
Regular
I'll input some pictures then
http://www.knightsedge.com/armor/anglo-saxon-helm-8220.jpg <-- ANGLO-SAXON HELM; I know I've seen this one on some Lord, however not attainable for the player.
http://membres.lycos.fr/subliminaltpe/Arthurian%20TW/Arts/Picts/Pict_weaponry.jpg <-- Pictish weaponry.
http://membres.lycos.fr/subliminaltpe/Arthurian%20TW/Arts/spatha.gif <-- German spatha (Foederati)
Just some things I uprooted from different sites.
http://www.knightsedge.com/armor/anglo-saxon-helm-8220.jpg <-- ANGLO-SAXON HELM; I know I've seen this one on some Lord, however not attainable for the player.
http://membres.lycos.fr/subliminaltpe/Arthurian%20TW/Arts/Picts/Pict_weaponry.jpg <-- Pictish weaponry.
http://membres.lycos.fr/subliminaltpe/Arthurian%20TW/Arts/spatha.gif <-- German spatha (Foederati)
Just some things I uprooted from different sites.
Brody said:
Where are those illustrations from?
There are some with people, too.
I love them and they're allways good references.
larxyz
Recruit
Greetings, I'm new to the mod... but saw you needed pictures of historical items...
so here's a bunch of links that should be useful
the sites are in swedish but the pictures should be fairly obvious
greetings i'v looked around and while i have found very little from that specific period
found quite abit from 500 to 1000 is that ok?
http://www.ungafakta.se/pyssel/skapa/vikingasvard/vikingasvard11.jpg
swords
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/vm_viking_sv.htm
sword
http://www.wadbring.com/historia/sidor/vikingar.htm
sketch of found helm
http://www.viking.se/vikingasvard-lang-modell-med-slida-1740.html
sword reconstruct
http://media.ne.se/neimage/1139887.jpg
sword orginals.
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/sv/media/3/3c/svard_och_spjutspets_fran_vikingatiden_stor.jpg
sword orginal
http://www.wadbring.com/historia/undersidor/jarnalder.htm#vendeltid
middle of a shield
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/vm_jviking_sv.htm
french sword roughly 800
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/swords.htm
first link.
http://www.urda.se/kopa-medeltidsklader/category/12/mantlar-&-caper.html
clothes, reconstructions
http://nordahlsmedeltid.dinstudio.se/gallery1_3.html
clothes, reconstruction
cherrio
so here's a bunch of links that should be useful
the sites are in swedish but the pictures should be fairly obvious
greetings i'v looked around and while i have found very little from that specific period
found quite abit from 500 to 1000 is that ok?
http://www.ungafakta.se/pyssel/skapa/vikingasvard/vikingasvard11.jpg
swords
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/vm_viking_sv.htm
sword
http://www.wadbring.com/historia/sidor/vikingar.htm
sketch of found helm
http://www.viking.se/vikingasvard-lang-modell-med-slida-1740.html
sword reconstruct
http://media.ne.se/neimage/1139887.jpg
sword orginals.
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/sv/media/3/3c/svard_och_spjutspets_fran_vikingatiden_stor.jpg
sword orginal
http://www.wadbring.com/historia/undersidor/jarnalder.htm#vendeltid
middle of a shield
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/vm_jviking_sv.htm
french sword roughly 800
http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/swords.htm
first link.
http://www.urda.se/kopa-medeltidsklader/category/12/mantlar-&-caper.html
clothes, reconstructions
http://nordahlsmedeltid.dinstudio.se/gallery1_3.html
clothes, reconstruction
cherrio
Your English is not crappy, but at least remember capitalization
There are already 4 seaxes in the game and 2 of those are semi-long (can't remember the exact length).
Can't have too many though.
There are already 4 seaxes in the game and 2 of those are semi-long (can't remember the exact length).
Can't have too many though.
olla podrida
Regular
Hi there, I new here, too. But I really like the idea and the outcome of this mod so far.
I really like your spears and lances.
What I don,t like on the other hand, are nearly all of the swords, especially as there are very many very beautyfull pieces in the timeframe.
Yet most of the swords in your mod are modelled after 10th or 11th century specimens, which is really disturbing and unnecessary if you are going to make more items anyway.
You could use the Sutton Hoo spatha for example, or any other goldhilted and almandin inlaid sword from Valsgärde or Vendel or one of the later swords from Nydam in southern Denmark which are remarkedly well preserved.
Here, for reference, are some links to replicas made by Partrick Bartha, wich are fairly accurate both in material and style:
These are early 7th century:
(Bildsø, Denmark)
(Sutton Hoo, England)
(Väsby, Sweden) - Ringhilt Spatha
(Vendel, Sweden) - Ringhilt Spatha
This one is an example of a goldhilt spatha from the late 6th century and could be relevant for you, too:
(Blucina, Czech Republic)
They were found in Germany, on the Balkan, Skandinavia, France and Britain, too. Could replace the old Hrunting model, maybe?
The Webpage of Mr Bartha in full:
http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquity_and_early_middle_age.php
Did you, by the way consider to ad a pattern welded skin to the blades of your swords? It is very beautyfull and accurate for your timeframe.
here is some more information on pattern welding in late iron age skandinavia:
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=149400
A noticeble feature of your timeframe are the ringhilted spathas, like the last two of my 7th century pictures, they were a token of honour and bondage to a lord from which they were given to his best and most loyal warriors, maybe you can use this for a quest or something.
I have much more material offline on my computer and could send it to you if you would like to have it.
I don't mean do be derogatory to the other posters so far, but there are quite a lot of pics posted in this thread which are neither in the timeline of this mod nor historically accurate enough e.g. some very crude verions of the Sutton Hoo helmet or rebated viking swords "replicas", which aren't even accurate for their won period.
I think most of the people simply don't realize the difference between 10 th century stuff and 7th century stuff, but if one starts to study this time, it's quite obvious and easy to tell. The problem is that you cannot simply google "7th century british weapon" and really find something even remotely relvevant. You have to know what you look for, first.
Also, don't trust the Osprey books to much, espacially the older ones have quite inaccurate drawings.
That's it so far, regarding Swords ( I may add something regarding clothing and armour as well, later on).
Best Regards
I really like your spears and lances.
What I don,t like on the other hand, are nearly all of the swords, especially as there are very many very beautyfull pieces in the timeframe.
Yet most of the swords in your mod are modelled after 10th or 11th century specimens, which is really disturbing and unnecessary if you are going to make more items anyway.
You could use the Sutton Hoo spatha for example, or any other goldhilted and almandin inlaid sword from Valsgärde or Vendel or one of the later swords from Nydam in southern Denmark which are remarkedly well preserved.
Here, for reference, are some links to replicas made by Partrick Bartha, wich are fairly accurate both in material and style:
These are early 7th century:
This one is an example of a goldhilt spatha from the late 6th century and could be relevant for you, too:
They were found in Germany, on the Balkan, Skandinavia, France and Britain, too. Could replace the old Hrunting model, maybe?
The Webpage of Mr Bartha in full:
http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquity_and_early_middle_age.php
Did you, by the way consider to ad a pattern welded skin to the blades of your swords? It is very beautyfull and accurate for your timeframe.
here is some more information on pattern welding in late iron age skandinavia:
http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=149400
A noticeble feature of your timeframe are the ringhilted spathas, like the last two of my 7th century pictures, they were a token of honour and bondage to a lord from which they were given to his best and most loyal warriors, maybe you can use this for a quest or something.
I have much more material offline on my computer and could send it to you if you would like to have it.
I don't mean do be derogatory to the other posters so far, but there are quite a lot of pics posted in this thread which are neither in the timeline of this mod nor historically accurate enough e.g. some very crude verions of the Sutton Hoo helmet or rebated viking swords "replicas", which aren't even accurate for their won period.
I think most of the people simply don't realize the difference between 10 th century stuff and 7th century stuff, but if one starts to study this time, it's quite obvious and easy to tell. The problem is that you cannot simply google "7th century british weapon" and really find something even remotely relvevant. You have to know what you look for, first.
Also, don't trust the Osprey books to much, espacially the older ones have quite inaccurate drawings.
That's it so far, regarding Swords ( I may add something regarding clothing and armour as well, later on).
Best Regards
Spongly
Knight
makute said:What's the purpose of the protuberance on the hilt of these swords?
They look like some kind of mechanism, or a secret compartiment.olla podrida said:(Väsby, Sweden) - Ringhilt Spatha
(Vendel, Sweden) - Ringhilt Spatha
They're rings, but they're actually part of the hilt, so not separate and then attached on. The theory runs that rings have a significance for the taking of oaths - in the Germanic world oaths were often sworn on rings. Therefore lords might have rings on their sword hilts that their warriors would swear their oaths of service on.
But they have no apparent practical purpose.
olla podrida
Regular
Exactly.
The earliest ringhilts still have "real" rings which are freely movable, as the style developes, the "ring" becomes immovably fixed to the pommel.
It's a very interesting topic.
You will often find rings mentioned as tokens from lords to warriors in the german Niebelungenlied or the icelandic Fornaldursögur. Lords are described as "ring givers", so it might have a connection to these swordrings.
By the way:
Here are some photos of a reenactment event in France. It gives a good impression of possible garments, armours and shield designs...
http://www.myspace.com/ulfhednarengland/photos/albums/marle-2010/1552763
Regarding textile armour, I would love to see something like this man
with the sutton hoo helmet wears in the mod. It could replace the better leather gambeson things. It can also be made out of wool or linnen as a civil garment.
PS:
Although, as always, you will have to decide whether you choose to believe these interpretations or not. These people are modern people like us and what the create is always marred by their personal believes and imagination. In this pictures for example, you will notice a certain bias towards fur and long beards and hair, this has however no support in archeologic or historiographic sources.
Some of these guys have a heavy metal/biker background and sometimes it just shows through
The earliest ringhilts still have "real" rings which are freely movable, as the style developes, the "ring" becomes immovably fixed to the pommel.
It's a very interesting topic.
You will often find rings mentioned as tokens from lords to warriors in the german Niebelungenlied or the icelandic Fornaldursögur. Lords are described as "ring givers", so it might have a connection to these swordrings.
By the way:
Here are some photos of a reenactment event in France. It gives a good impression of possible garments, armours and shield designs...
http://www.myspace.com/ulfhednarengland/photos/albums/marle-2010/1552763
Regarding textile armour, I would love to see something like this man
with the sutton hoo helmet wears in the mod. It could replace the better leather gambeson things. It can also be made out of wool or linnen as a civil garment.
PS:
Although, as always, you will have to decide whether you choose to believe these interpretations or not. These people are modern people like us and what the create is always marred by their personal believes and imagination. In this pictures for example, you will notice a certain bias towards fur and long beards and hair, this has however no support in archeologic or historiographic sources.
Some of these guys have a heavy metal/biker background and sometimes it just shows through
