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matlid le sauvage said:

it also apears to depend on what wepon is use agenset the sheld that determens how long it would last and wher the sheld is rawhided as the rawhied will prvent some damage to the shelied not much espeshaly a genst a Daine axe or a mace ouch and a good blow with a sward would just get through the rawhide. am i glad we dont use mornigstars in steel or maces ouchh it would result in a lot of broken bones  and a few bits off wood in your eyes and other body partsand many trips to the hospital. i have seen what a blunt dane axe and sward can do but the moast distructive was the moringstar (its surprising what blunted wepons can do if you give them a good swing.

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Tancred De Burgundy said:

just some notes to Lou, not all shields would be rawhided, either with rawhide or leather, some would have had metal fittings around the edges, such as some roman shields, (if im correct, please post if otherwise, anyone?) as well as shields used by some Vikingr or scandanavian shields (not falling into the common trap of all scandanavians are Vikingr). Also, as i remember it, Guy's Morgensternen, whilst techniquly a blunt weapon is a ball with about ten spikes on it, that show was excellent, and then at camp i took my warhammer to the same shield, oh what fun that was, *coughs* i mean purly as historical research, (but, hehe, the warhammer took out some bloody big bits of wood for it's size   ) 

just remembered for those of you that want to see the damage a Dacian Falx can do to a roman shield, check this out,
                         http://www.gk.ro/sarmizegetusa/ranistorum/site_eng/arma.html
for other images just type it to google images.  just remembered

As i understand it, there shields were built to last a bit better than say something like a roman shield, (as many of you have said, romans were able to dispose of shields after they'd been knocked in, because of the sheer amount that the empire could produce). though i know that shields used by the scandanavians werent unbreakable (well obviously, which ones arn't, but im reffering to the honour duels, where by both competators have three shields, the aim is to break the other persons shields, then you have won, and you have your honor, the other thing behind this is that you don't end up killing someone who could be a bloody good fighter and needed in a battle)

As for metal shields, if you look at the Apis of the Greeks, whilst made of wood, a lot if not pretty much all of them were covered in bronze or some form of metal. and whilst being a lot smaller, almost buckler sized some Greek or mercenary shields were entirly brass, bronze, and later iron, the shield actually looks like a type of wide brimmed hat, with a centeral bossed grip.

im sure i was going to say more, but i've once again forgotten what i was going to say.
LOL.

Tancred.

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Jaghatai Khan said:

matlid le sauvage said:

nooooo not orlando hes horid

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Too feminine for you?

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Skit said:

the overpopulation is coming from africa which is very very bad...so i gues yeah it could there are a lot of orphans 2

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Nahkuri said:

For those who know less about the antique probably were shocked. But in antique, homosexual relationships between older men and young boys were encouraged... but then again, relationships between young men of the same age were disliked, can't remember how strongly, though.

Yes, Knightbonehead. Old, hairy men penetrating 12-year-old male anuses was encouraged in the much praised antique.

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Llew2 said:

firstly, I'm going to assume that if a horse runs over you at full speed, you will get knocked unconscious.
next I will say that the charging speed of a horse (in the real world) is equal to 10 speed in-game. (it will be faster/slower for some of course)

some points I'd like to make:

1. the ideal thing would be to have the damage directly related to the speed (as it is in the real world)

2. the way to salve that, is to set the charge damage in-game to just enough so that you will knock someone unconscious, going at full
   speed.
  ( I am going to do a lot of testing on this, but I think the damage is between 70 and 90)

3. (this is a very important point) the armor on a horse has nothing to do with the damage done to someone while
     running over them. all it would do is slow the horse down (all though, it might give the horse more momentum)

4. unlike in M&B, all horses should be able to knock someone unconscious (except lame ones, and maybe sumters) if they are going at 10 speed. It is not realistic that when you go charging into a group of guys with your courser (at 12 speed) you run into one guy
  and stop short.

5. Armor: the armor on horses will probably stay the same, because if your going at full speed you won't need it so much. on   war-horses it might be upped a little, because they are fully armored, and that should count for something.

6. and to counter all these super horses, spears/spearmen are going to be very important, so the the damage and speed of spears are going to be upped, and spearmen are going to have to major part in battles.

7. all this (I'm hoping) will make it necessary to have pikemen, and add a more brutal shade to the fighting--where if your not carfull you can get killed in the first charge

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