Archonsod said:
What the **** does this have to do with anything?
Ookaay, let's make it more simple.
**** the chemical reactions. Whether they're different in our brains or not, it doesn't mean this results in different experience for both of us.
Archonsod said:
..they're still subjective because you cannot make me experience them..
It is so, if our reality is subjective. But if it is objective, then everything, not directly related to society, will be the same for every human (or any other creature with similar perception).
You know, universe can be, as the name suggests, universal, looking identical from every point of view.
The objectiveness/subjectiveness of our reality is, actually, the main question of philosophy.
Swadius said:
..no one can ever know for sure that whether or not what someone else feels is exactly the same as theirs..
On the other hand, no one can ever know for sure, that whether or not what someone else feels is any different from their feelings, don't you agree?
Swadius said:
What objective concept can you pass on..
Assuming that our reality
is objective, we experience objective concepts, and share them with others by subjective means, i.e. words, pictures, gestures etc.
Swadius said:
..there is not physical connection that introduced its existence..
Exactly. Math was not made to find patterns or explain physical processes, it just happened to be the best way to describe them.
Math has nothing to do with physics. It is the system of logic, logic of the universe. It is not like we apply it to reality it is the reality itself, that applies it to our life.
Swadius said:
It means that it can be different..
That is what I was trying to tell from the beginning. The told experience can be different, but it can be identical. We can't say it
for sure.
Swadius said:
There is a man, all his life he has been told that the grass is green, but in reality through his eyes, the colour of the grass that he perceives is purple..
And this means, that he is a mutant and therefore must be killed.
Just joking.
But really, it would be better to exclude such deviations from our discussion.