If what you say is true, then Magorian is certainly the bigger threat. The way the game is going currently, i'm willing to risk it on your word alone, because we're pretty much dead already.
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[Werewolf: Archives] Werewolf: A Memory of Light - Game Over! Converted Victory.
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That's nice. Or it would be if you hadn't pretty much admitted to being role blocked. 
Free time comes in a few hours, when I'm home from work. I'll reply then.
Free time comes in a few hours, when I'm home from work. I'll reply then.
FrisianDude
Archduke
I did no such thing.Magorian Aximand said:That's nice. Or it would be if you hadn't pretty much admitted to being role blocked.
QuailLover
Marquis
Ok, I got some free time atm.
I just want to pose these questions: Does Trevty still have his old abilities, or does he have a new role? Or even, a mixture of the two. The resurrection rendered him disoriented for the day, but will have his old role back.
Because I'm willing to think that he is trying really hard to get us to vote on him, so we waste a lynch and not hunt for the mastermind.
I just want to pose these questions: Does Trevty still have his old abilities, or does he have a new role? Or even, a mixture of the two. The resurrection rendered him disoriented for the day, but will have his old role back.
Because I'm willing to think that he is trying really hard to get us to vote on him, so we waste a lynch and not hunt for the mastermind.
Werewolf is a game of numbers:
Quite literally. You'll see me say often that Werewolf is a game of discussion, and that's true. That's how the game is played. But win conditions come down to simple math. How many players are there on any given team? Zero wolves? Game over. The game is dictated by discussion, for discovery and positioning, in the early and middle phases. But very often the endgame comes down to the numbers.
So what are our numbers? We have ten living players. Of those living players we likely have four wolves. Wolves win when they consist of 50% of the living players, so this wolf pack would win when there were eight players alive.
Frisian is playing the numbers game, and he has realized we're at lynch or lose. He's going straight for the win. If we mislynch today and the wolves get one kill at night, that's game over. The only way to prevent this is to actually kill a wolf today, and conveniently, we actually know who a wolf is. The best bet to continue the game is to kill the wolf we know, rather than risk the game by killing the unproven target. This is exactly why, sure as I am about Grimmend (and now Fris), my vote lies on Trevty.
Consider, for a moment, if we were at lynch or lose, why any wolf would be so eager to kill a packmate and extend the life of the village. What would that gain? Wouldn't it be better to give the village a reason to kill someone else? Think about that, and then take a look at what I'm doing and what Frisian is doing. How does it make sense for me to kill a wolf now, if I'm one myself? Even if I were the necromancer, wasting a day wouldn't do me any good. I would want less innocents, by a count of two, not consistent numbers.
So which plan kills two innocents, and which does not?
I'm sorry, but my actions don't make sense from the perspective of a wolf. And Frisian's make none from the perspective of an innocent. Not killing Trevty today is about the most wolfish thing you can do.
The problems with Frisian's claim:
The above should be reason enough for anyone to commit to voting for Trevty, but the holes in Frisian's claim bear mentioning. Firstly, he is claiming that we have two seers, which is pretty unusual. Not unprecedented, sure, but highly unusual. That counts against him. Secondly, he only made any kind of claim after our known seer was dead. It's always best to make up a fake role when the real version isn't around to protest. And he didn't comment hardly at all when Moose claimed. A real seer would have problems with someone else claiming to be another seer. Thirdly, he has given us no new information, beyond this one claim about me, conveniently scanning only a dead player and "being too distraught" to do anything the second night. Lastly, whether he realizes it or not, he did admit to being roleblocked last night. Of course he spun it as an attempt on his life (suffering an attack gains sympathy, increases credibility), but it's pretty clear what it is. "Holding me down until morning" is simple to understand. He was held put. How could he go and scan me if he was held down by a dream, even after waking, until morning? Whoopsie daisy. Not to mention, he's claiming this attempt happened, when the wolves have never demonstrated the ability to make multiple attacks at night, when the wolf attack has already been accounted for and one wolf is dead. That's the same kind of mistake Grimmend was making. Assigning too many abilities to too few people.
At least I know who we should lynch tomorrow.
Are you suggesting that the untold number of nondescript guards Moose randomly picked a fight with are played by one of us?
Because if you're sane, it's clear that they're non player characters.
That makes no sense. Compelling someone to go get themselves killed is no different, game wise, from just killing them. You're assigning a kill ability to a role that has never demonstrated the ability to kill. Forcing numbers of vote changes is a far cry from killing.
Quite literally. You'll see me say often that Werewolf is a game of discussion, and that's true. That's how the game is played. But win conditions come down to simple math. How many players are there on any given team? Zero wolves? Game over. The game is dictated by discussion, for discovery and positioning, in the early and middle phases. But very often the endgame comes down to the numbers.
So what are our numbers? We have ten living players. Of those living players we likely have four wolves. Wolves win when they consist of 50% of the living players, so this wolf pack would win when there were eight players alive.
Frisian is playing the numbers game, and he has realized we're at lynch or lose. He's going straight for the win. If we mislynch today and the wolves get one kill at night, that's game over. The only way to prevent this is to actually kill a wolf today, and conveniently, we actually know who a wolf is. The best bet to continue the game is to kill the wolf we know, rather than risk the game by killing the unproven target. This is exactly why, sure as I am about Grimmend (and now Fris), my vote lies on Trevty.
Consider, for a moment, if we were at lynch or lose, why any wolf would be so eager to kill a packmate and extend the life of the village. What would that gain? Wouldn't it be better to give the village a reason to kill someone else? Think about that, and then take a look at what I'm doing and what Frisian is doing. How does it make sense for me to kill a wolf now, if I'm one myself? Even if I were the necromancer, wasting a day wouldn't do me any good. I would want less innocents, by a count of two, not consistent numbers.
So which plan kills two innocents, and which does not?
I'm sorry, but my actions don't make sense from the perspective of a wolf. And Frisian's make none from the perspective of an innocent. Not killing Trevty today is about the most wolfish thing you can do.
The problems with Frisian's claim:
The above should be reason enough for anyone to commit to voting for Trevty, but the holes in Frisian's claim bear mentioning. Firstly, he is claiming that we have two seers, which is pretty unusual. Not unprecedented, sure, but highly unusual. That counts against him. Secondly, he only made any kind of claim after our known seer was dead. It's always best to make up a fake role when the real version isn't around to protest. And he didn't comment hardly at all when Moose claimed. A real seer would have problems with someone else claiming to be another seer. Thirdly, he has given us no new information, beyond this one claim about me, conveniently scanning only a dead player and "being too distraught" to do anything the second night. Lastly, whether he realizes it or not, he did admit to being roleblocked last night. Of course he spun it as an attempt on his life (suffering an attack gains sympathy, increases credibility), but it's pretty clear what it is. "Holding me down until morning" is simple to understand. He was held put. How could he go and scan me if he was held down by a dream, even after waking, until morning? Whoopsie daisy. Not to mention, he's claiming this attempt happened, when the wolves have never demonstrated the ability to make multiple attacks at night, when the wolf attack has already been accounted for and one wolf is dead. That's the same kind of mistake Grimmend was making. Assigning too many abilities to too few people.
At least I know who we should lynch tomorrow.
Are you suggesting that the untold number of nondescript guards Moose randomly picked a fight with are played by one of us?
Because if you're sane, it's clear that they're non player characters.
Feragorn said:
That makes no sense. Compelling someone to go get themselves killed is no different, game wise, from just killing them. You're assigning a kill ability to a role that has never demonstrated the ability to kill. Forcing numbers of vote changes is a far cry from killing.
Damn, I lost a quote. The second section is in reply to Brutus, re NPCs.
When you make that post you'd better actually deal with the arguments I just presented, like you failed to do when you disagreed with me about Grimmend.
I would be inclined to believe Frisian's claim were it not for his claim about his dream: "about my dream late at night; a shape changing between wolf and man, an image lasting after waking, holding me down until morning."
How could he investigate if he was held down until morning?
How could he investigate if he was held down until morning?
FrisianDude
Archduke
because the dream started when I slept. And I slept when I came back from investigating.
FrisianDude
Archduke
Sooo right. ?
Did my explanation for the dream come through? I hardly could have said initially ( as in, before my claim) that I got the dream after coming back. That would have given away my role and action immediately and I wasn't quite sure enough yet. But here we are, two days left, only a few people actually reacted to both my claim and/or Magorian's defense. Where you guise at? I'd have though **** would have hit the fan by now.
However, my death (which I am frankly counting on) the next night will prove the veracity of my claims, I'm afraid though that by then the number game is no longer in our favour (if it even is today). I mean, Trevty is hardly going to vote for Magorian, neither will Magorian.
I'll update the vote count.
three out of six on two different people. Are we going to waste another lynch on the mad Trevty or are we going to take a step forward?
Did my explanation for the dream come through? I hardly could have said initially ( as in, before my claim) that I got the dream after coming back. That would have given away my role and action immediately and I wasn't quite sure enough yet. But here we are, two days left, only a few people actually reacted to both my claim and/or Magorian's defense. Where you guise at? I'd have though **** would have hit the fan by now.
However, my death (which I am frankly counting on) the next night will prove the veracity of my claims, I'm afraid though that by then the number game is no longer in our favour (if it even is today). I mean, Trevty is hardly going to vote for Magorian, neither will Magorian.
I'll update the vote count.
Xardob said:
I think Magorian and Frisian both are full of ****. I just can't decide what that means. Are they in it together? Don't think so.
FrisianDude
Archduke
Lord Brutus said:
and the death of either of us would prove the other right.
Killing Trevty just leaves that loose end, though I probably won't last till morning.
QuailLover
Marquis
So, in your opinion we should leave Trevty alone for this day?
FrisianDude
Archduke
Probably. I mean, we don't learn from his death, though he is definite villain, and it might be he gets raised again anyway. Maybe that's restricted, but I can't say that for certain.
QuailLover
Marquis
However, on the other hand lynching him again gives us some info on the revive ability.
Vote Count 2
QuailLover 0 -
FrisianDude 0 -
Magorian Aximand 3 - Eternipples, Fishy, Frisian
HULKSMASH 0 -
Feragorn 0 -
Eternipples 0 -
Trevty 3 - Magorian, Trevty, Feragorn
Grimmend -
TheFlyingFishy 0 -
Lord Brutus 0 -
No Lynch 0 -
Not Voting 4 - Quail, Hulk, Brutus, Grimmend
Little more than 24 hours for the deadline.
QuailLover 0 -
FrisianDude 0 -
Magorian Aximand 3 - Eternipples, Fishy, Frisian
HULKSMASH 0 -
Feragorn 0 -
Eternipples 0 -
Trevty 3 - Magorian, Trevty, Feragorn
Grimmend -
TheFlyingFishy 0 -
Lord Brutus 0 -
No Lynch 0 -
Not Voting 4 - Quail, Hulk, Brutus, Grimmend
Little more than 24 hours for the deadline.
