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Vicccard said:
Well, Putin is an ex-KGB agent after all. When was the last time you could trust an agent?
What a bunch of hilarious ****wits they are...Weaver said:
Not so much for the poor ****s in the town obviously, but as someone on the outside that looks more and more like satire.
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We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
I am wondering whether the DPR will launch any further offensive pushes to try and cut off Ukrainian troops within the Debaltseve cauldron/sack.
The Guardian claims that Putin wanted to hold off a few days with the peace negotiations in order to have the DPR's Debaltseve offensive resolve itself possibly with the hope that leverage would be in favor of Russia during the negotiations.
The Guardian claims that Putin wanted to hold off a few days with the peace negotiations in order to have the DPR's Debaltseve offensive resolve itself possibly with the hope that leverage would be in favor of Russia during the negotiations.
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All their close combat assaults have failed with enormous body counts. Debaltseve will be shelled until it is uninhabitable and Ukrainan army retreats like in Donetsk airport.
Debaltseve sack had formed long before Ilovaysk happened and the shelling never stopped since.
They do not launch offensive pushes. At all. Their only viable tactics is to burn everything to the ground until there are no possible defensive positions for enemy. And only then they advance.rejenorst said:
All their close combat assaults have failed with enormous body counts. Debaltseve will be shelled until it is uninhabitable and Ukrainan army retreats like in Donetsk airport.
Debaltseve sack had formed long before Ilovaysk happened and the shelling never stopped since.
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Inteligent and "puppet" generaly don't mix.Wellenbrecher said:
It's not a stalemate. It's more like misère played by UAF. They have orders not to advance but to hold their ground as long as possible. And the more positions they lose on battlefield the more Ukraine benefits in "diplomacy". As it gives a way to constantly milk IMF and various other sources while giving no **** about economy. You just have to tell stories every now and then about evil Russians and how you do protect Europe from The Horde. It's a win-win situation for all except those who get killed or disfigured in the process. The conflict is being prolonged artificially by all sides for that reason.rejenorst said:
Just a small example: even before all that stuff with plane or Ilovaysk happened Ukrainian forces had actually entered Luhansk at least three times and were immediately given orders to retreat.
It's one huge theater of absurd happening.
Diplomats must attempt to turn any situation to their side's advantage whatever development it takes. They will use deaths and destruction as bargaining chips, doesn't mean they actually want more people to get killed.
I also don't buy that whole "We could have won the war in the first few days but then we were ordered to retreat because generals just wanted to drag it on" load of ancient conceited sovok bull****. Yeah, maybe there were bloody good reasons for a retreat? Like the city being a trap jampacked by enemy paramilitary?
You could hear that same ignorant crap about Afghanistan, then about Chechnya and now it finally arrived to Donbas.
I also don't buy that whole "We could have won the war in the first few days but then we were ordered to retreat because generals just wanted to drag it on" load of ancient conceited sovok bull****. Yeah, maybe there were bloody good reasons for a retreat? Like the city being a trap jampacked by enemy paramilitary?
You could hear that same ignorant crap about Afghanistan, then about Chechnya and now it finally arrived to Donbas.
Of course they do not. It's just a collateral damage.Weaver said:
Yeah, sure. Bunch of clowns with AKs is whole lot more dangerous against combined arms of artillery, aviation and mech infrantry than fully fortified city with tanks, artillery and anti-air guns we have now. Or maybe you can tell me of any report of violent resistance performed by DNR/LNR forces even remotely resembling that of Donetsk airport or Debaltseve defense?
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Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:
Aren't they more of a mix of "store armed separatist", deserters from the Ukrainian army, Russian regulars and Russian Spec-Ops?
I was told that during the cold war you just had to say ''I'm a communist'' and the Soviet threw some AK-47 at you.Radalan said:
So according to German media some sep person said to INTERFAX that they're on a "steady offensive" in the pocket/bulge/cauldron and have "big parts of the city" under their control.