Roast kangaroos: or, Australia's big fire

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Most of the fires were natural, just Bush fires starting with the intense heat and wind conditions, but at least one of them was started by an arsonist, namely the Gippsland fire.

Confirmed deaths are at 181 at the moment. So it's officially our worst bushfire season ever, Ash Wednesday only claimed around 75 lives. At least there's been less fire fighter casualties this time around.

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Not to mention the ~90 or so people believed to have died in the heat wave that triggered the fires.
 
Arsonists tried to reignite 3 fires last night or the night before apparently. Sick mutha ****ers.

In one of the news stories a lady said she saw looters in her backyard trying to restart fires as well. God damn looters.
 
Looks like the fatalities is set to reach 300. And this is about the right time for us to have a massive blow to infrastructure and farmland, what with the recession and everything.
 
Lt. of the tower said:
Arsonists tried to reignite 3 fires last night or the night before apparently. Sick mutha ****ers.

In one of the news stories a lady said she saw looters in her backyard trying to restart fires as well. God damn looters.

This is why you always kill as many looter parties early on in the game.

Seriously though, what is the state of firefighting in Australia? I know where I live, it is extremely arid, and we have high altitude pine forests which like to burst into flame at least 5 or so times a year. We've always managed to get on top of them before they get too out of hand. I think last year the worst we had destroyed a hundred or so homes and killed a couple people indirectly. Just wondering how these fires in Australia got so out of hand in the first place. Too much open space to physically monitor or something?
 
Eh, Australia has great firefighters... there's just jack**** you can do. You can try to cut off its source, but good luck with that speed.

No wonder, because we settled where we shouldn't have...
 
Tibertus said:
Seriously though, what is the state of firefighting in Australia? I know where I live, it is extremely arid, and we have high altitude pine forests which like to burst into flame at least 5 or so times a year. We've always managed to get on top of them before they get too out of hand. I think last year the worst we had destroyed a hundred or so homes and killed a couple people indirectly. Just wondering how these fires in Australia got so out of hand in the first place. Too much open space to physically monitor or something?
Strong winds with rapid changes of direction. You don't just get one fire starting, you get a few hundred within the space of minutes.
 
The firefighters are quite decent over here and fires dont often get out of control but when its in a isolated type country downs where a lot of the fire was getting in there in time is hard enough as it is let alone with the speed to flames were travelling at.

The reason people got done in their cars is because A lot of the country towns in Australia basically have 1 or 2 roads into the town and when they are covered in fire there isnt anywhere to go so people had a lot of crashes trying to get through the smoke then the flames caught up. The fact that phone signals were slow as **** didnt help either, few instances on the news where people recieved a text message saying a fire was coming two days after it was actually sent so there was no prior warning. If you have seen some of the footage you will see how fast the flames actually are travelling and there is just **** all you can do unfortunatly.

Terrible disaster though so many lives lost and personally i think burning to death is one of the most disgusting ways to go.
 
Tibertus said:
Just wondering how these fires in Australia got so out of hand in the first place.

A very dry, hot climate, huge amounts of bush and a relatively small population to protect it. Add in strong wind, spotfires, arsonists, lightening etc.
 
This thing wasn't just any old fire. Heck, it was generating is own weather, it was just that ****ing large. Covered 20km in 2 minutes, in one of the worst hit areas (reason why there were so many deaths), only reason the guy who saw it do that distance is still alive is because he was on the back of the hill (eg, without the nice views of Melbourne). Everyone on the other side lost their house and many died.
 
Eh, like I said, none of this would happen if people lived 'respected' nature... don't live in a area prone to massive fires every year. Just like people living too close to the coast in China, and people clearcutting in other parts Southeast Asia. Australia has more than enough space for 20 million people without burning them off.
 
Elenmmare said:
Eh, like I said, none of this would happen if people lived 'respected' nature... don't live in a area prone to massive fires every year. Just like people living too close to the coast in China, and people clearcutting in other parts Southeast Asia. Australia has more than enough space for 20 million people without burning them off.

Actually, the main cause of this is people respecting nature. Because we are not allowed to do "fuel reduction burning" (aka, burning off), in state forests, or, heck, even our own forested land without a permit and fire crews present, fuel is allowed to build up in state parks to a level big enough to cause this Conflagration. Now, why did this happen now? well, in the last few decades, there's been a move towards "greener" policies of non intervention in state forests.
This is bad. why? Before Europeans came, the aborigines used to burn off all of the bush every few years, during winter, to clear old growth, dead leaves on the ground, and to drive game into their traps etc. This prevented fuel from building up to the extent that we have now. They reached an equilibrium. (its worth noting though, that the natural state of the land is not eucalyptus forests at all, however, but the arrival of humans all those 40000+ years ago, bringing fire, changed the forests into what we had when Europeans arrived. But, dammit, it was stable)
Yes, a lot of the people who lost their houses appear to have had many trees to close to them, and i agree that we need to take a serious look at some of these forest communities. However, it is very ignorant of you to say that "you have plenty of space, build elsewhere". Yes, Australia is large. Just remember that the entire of North of South Australia, South of the Northern territory, and East of Western Australia is a ****ing desert. You don't build cities in desert.


Tl:dr?
Only reason the area is prone to massive fires every year is mismanagement of the forests.
 
Same thing happen(s)(ed) in California a couple years back. With the amount of tinder-dry wood, it's no surprise it got so out of hand.
 
Zaro said:
Tibertus said:
Just wondering how these fires in Australia got so out of hand in the first place.

A very dry, hot climate, huge amounts of bush and a relatively small population to protect it. Add in strong wind, spotfires, arsonists, lightening etc.

Holy **** Zaro! Really? No way! I had no ****ing idea what the climate was there. Oh wait... we have the same exact problems here.

Seriously though, we rely very heavily on aerial firefighting to fight fires, due to the sparse population, dry and hot climate, and the speed fires can travel here with the strong late summer winds.
 
Did he mention that eucalyptus are naturally more flammable than most other plants due to the oils in their leaves?

And this is a special case, pretty much the perfect storm. Very high heat, very low humidity, strong, frequently changing, dry winds and very bad luck and that's on top of a record breaking summer. Australia's fire fighter services are second to none, they have to be, but they're not fighting one fire, they're fighting dozens, spread over an area around that of the United Kingdom (or around a quarter of the U.S), sparked by lightning, natural causes and arsonists. And we only have a population of 20 million in the entire country.

Not exactly as easy as it sounds. Fire breaks don't work, as the wind takes the front right over, trucks can't reach most of the isolated fires to slow them down, and the fire fronts are too numerous and too vast to make water bombing effective. There's really not much you can do to fight fires like that, even when the weather is with you.
 
Sixx said:
The fact that phone signals were slow as **** didnt help either, few instances on the news where people recieved a text message saying a fire was coming two days after it was actually sent so there was no prior warning.
Hmm, odd, I've sent 50 or so text messages ~3500 KMs and they were almost instantly recieved, although I would think we have communicatinos system in North America that is much more dense and covers a larger area than the one in Australia.
 
Gumpy said:
Tibertus said:
Seriously though, we rely very heavily on aerial firefighting to fight fires, due to the sparse population, dry and hot climate, and the speed fires can travel here with the strong late summer winds.

Our firefighting services are competent but we don't quite have the manpower to bring a fleet of helicopters in immediately, we rely mostly on trucks and firemen. The main point is that these were bigger than anyone expected and although the heat was clearly there beforehand, when the fires came they gave no warning. Some people didn't realize their town was being hit until they actually saw it happening. Spot fires from a couple of kilometres away, trees exploding from the heat, flames 50 metres high, all that stuff. No country could have dealt with it better or faster, it's irrelevant thinking of it like that.

Coupled with the Queensland floods and the UK snows.... man. I wouldn't be surprised if there was another ****ing Tunguska next Saturday.

Yeah, we don't use helicopters either, they're too slow, and far too expensive to extensively use. We for the most part use AT-802s here they're small, cruise at something like 160mph, so they can keep up with wildfires, they carry around 500 gallons of retardant, and can land practically anywhere to be refilled. So even though they have small reservoirs compared to C-130s, they don't need a dedicated runway or refilling station, so they can opperate off of a dirt road 10 miles from a fire. On top of that, they're cheaper than helicopters and C-130s by a factor of ten.

Never heard of eucalyptus being extra flammable due to their oils. Guess you learn something every day.
 
On warm days vapourised Eucalyptus oil rises above the bush to create the characteristic distant blue haze of the Australian landscape. Eucalyptus oil is highly flammable (trees have been known to explode[4][7]) and bush fires can travel easily through the oil-rich air of the tree crowns. The dead bark and fallen branches are also flammable. Eucalypts are well adapted for periodic fires via lignotubers and epicormic buds under the bark.

To give you an idea of how common bush fires are in Australia, some species of Eucalypts only ever release seeds when burnt.
 
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