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sammac said:

Before you lot ***** at me I have lectures in the morning and I gave you more time than I could already

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Fehnor said:

Telling William that the only chance he has to help the community is to shut his tourney down is asinine, especially considering you didn't even ask him to change the rules before you made your own tourney.

Zaffa and lag are being ****s here, and speaking for people they don't represent.

Why couldn't you work with William to get a good ruleset for one tournament? Right now, it looks like The High School Cool Kids won't let anyone else play ball. It's ******** pathetic. This tournament being shoved in last minute, with rules that, in my opinion, take a step back from a place where NA was finally getting some clans with solid tactics winning tournaments, and not gimmicks choosing maps and re-rolling random plains.

The time I spent with 1000 gold seemed better to me, because definitive choices had to be made in gear to set up the best possible team for the match.

Talking about "making NA more like EU" is retarded, because we both borrow good ideas from each other.

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very ironic considering the biggest change in this tournament is stolen from WNL: Timed MotF spawns

Most of this tournament seems like, "We'll do things our way because we're different" instead of examining how tournaments differ in fun during the match, and during the course of the tournament.

NASTe had a ladder tournament with 8 teams, which was completely unnecessary, and dragged the whole tournament down. CJTT had fun rounds, but re-rolling plains and playing 3 maps were the two biggest negative points of the tournament. Those are the things you are bringing back here. The same things we moved away from to get a chance to play a solid tactical game in a reasonable amount of time. BiT has some things that can be improved on, but random plains and ruling by maps are ridiculous to think about right now. You've added thirty minutes of wasted time on average to every game, and made outcomes for the tournament come from chance instead of playing well as a team.

I guess the thing I'm most disappointed in is that there was no attempt at a compromise, or making a good tournament. It's just 4th graders on a playground sitting on the ball so no one else can play.

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T said:

While I don't think 1000g supporters have cited any arguments other than stats or who does well, it does ultimately boil down to opinion.





I wouldn't mind trying a middle ground amount.
Here are some loadouts. I used 1224 as a test amount because that is when factions start being able to get H. cav.

Cav: Any amount above 1224 will allow Rhodock and Swadia a Heavy horse first round with essentially zero other upgrades. Add to that and they will begin to be able to buy more.
        Most cavalry must choose between armor or lance unless using a courser. Nord cav are still hurt pretty hard, they still can't afford armor plus lance since they must pay for the light lance.

Inf:All faction inf can now afford tier 3 armor (~40 body armor) matching top archer armor. Above 1224 also allows them to choose between mid tier shield or weapon.
          Sarra inf must settle with less armor to afford a solid shield.
          No faction inf can realistically afford top tier weapons at start.
          Inf can also begin to add light throwing weapons to the mix with clever enough builds.

Range:Archers relatively unchanged. The plus 200ish gold bumps them up a bow/weapon class, not too big of a deal. Crossbowmen get more freedom in choosing melee vs range lethality.
            Range definitely does not benefit as much as cav/inf by the gold increase of around 200.

Sorry this isn't super in-depth, just thought I'd throw it out there to give ppl an idea of what it would change. It definitely evens the armor gap for inf. For Cav only a little bit but it more increases their lethality as they can afford better lances along with chargers at start. Heavy cav at start with 0 upgrades doesn't seem unfair at all, considering inf will more be able to hold their own.


EDIT: Remember I am in BkS, so no helms were worn during the making of this film. Not sure they change things too much though.

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Lord Rich said:

You might want to consider using the modified flag rules we're using over here in Europe, 240 second round and flags always spawn at the 2 min mark. Means you can be aggressive all round without having to worry about backing off to let flags spawn. Also removes draws pretty much entirely, they're still possible but very difficult.

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Rhade said:

Select a random pool of 2 Open maps, 2 Mixed Maps, 2 Closed Maps a week or whatever quantity you deem fit, then allow the players to also choose which one they're going to play.

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