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Vettkinn 说:
Your crossbow hurts harder. You have to run/juke, not stand still. If you are a good foot soldier, or on a horse, it's easy. Only issues you'll have is long sieges, you know, where it makes you fight almost the entire garrison. If you're against the empire, get ready for the meat grinder.
Shire
Sergeant
I've been a (horse) archer since the earliest versions of M&B, the feeling of nailing a headshot on full gallop against an enemy horse archer galloping the other way is just...:p
Early game for a horse archer is slow, especially in PoP were early bows are really really bad (accuracy) compared to what you'll face regularly (vs vanilla), but I don't really mind that. Fight anything that looks like something I can kill (anything not fully missile units early on) for levels and more importantly, weapon proficiency to bows. Upgrade gear as it comes around, killing errant knights is not difficult as a HA, although very low level like under 5, you won't deal any damage unless a headshot is landed, sometimes even that deals 0 ^_^ but the gear they drop is top notch at that point. I guess the weird part is that the game doesn't penalize you archery-wise at all for wearing full set of heaviest plate you can find. Getting a fast horse early on is a must, you need to be able to outrun or be just very slightly slower than the fastest cav you run against.
The money I pick up goes into establishing enterprises (velvet) and picking up followers so they start getting levels. I won't bother with recruiting any perishable troops untill I'm really high level, like close to 30. By that time I should have power draw 10, some horse archery (not 10, no need), and I've begun to get some levels into skills required to keep and maintain an army. Winning tournaments is rather difficult with a character like this, as none of your melee weapon skills get any training, meaning you'll always hit slower than the good guys in tournaments, making winning them extremely difficult. Sans the places where they give you a bow, that's autowin.
At the end of the "early game" I'll have my own fighting skills up to a decent point, rest of the weapon prof will be gained during sieges (headshot!), I'll have followers around who've started building the party skills and I've quested in ravenstern villages to get my reputation high enough to decently recruit from them, rangers for the win. If I've got around qualis gems, I'll aim for the saphire bow asap because that accuracy is king. Once I'm famous enough to get 150-200 man army, I'll begin looking for a town or castle to start my own kingdom. Political situations combined with the location are key factors, with the lands next to noldor area and the isolated D'shar town next to fierds behind the mountain being primary candidates. I like Ravenstern areas too for the layout, but my god is that land infested with bandits. You won't have many thriving villages there, there's not enough time in the game to keep the mountains safe. But it's natural recruiting grounds for the rangers and the layout means you'll be attacked from only 2 sides, so it's decent.
I like horse archery for the relative safety it gives. Much less chance to get KO'd by those goddamn javelins...and around 500 archery with a decent bow you easily 1 hit most enemies, even most horses, so cavalry becomes far less intimidating.
Early game for a horse archer is slow, especially in PoP were early bows are really really bad (accuracy) compared to what you'll face regularly (vs vanilla), but I don't really mind that. Fight anything that looks like something I can kill (anything not fully missile units early on) for levels and more importantly, weapon proficiency to bows. Upgrade gear as it comes around, killing errant knights is not difficult as a HA, although very low level like under 5, you won't deal any damage unless a headshot is landed, sometimes even that deals 0 ^_^ but the gear they drop is top notch at that point. I guess the weird part is that the game doesn't penalize you archery-wise at all for wearing full set of heaviest plate you can find. Getting a fast horse early on is a must, you need to be able to outrun or be just very slightly slower than the fastest cav you run against.
The money I pick up goes into establishing enterprises (velvet) and picking up followers so they start getting levels. I won't bother with recruiting any perishable troops untill I'm really high level, like close to 30. By that time I should have power draw 10, some horse archery (not 10, no need), and I've begun to get some levels into skills required to keep and maintain an army. Winning tournaments is rather difficult with a character like this, as none of your melee weapon skills get any training, meaning you'll always hit slower than the good guys in tournaments, making winning them extremely difficult. Sans the places where they give you a bow, that's autowin.
At the end of the "early game" I'll have my own fighting skills up to a decent point, rest of the weapon prof will be gained during sieges (headshot!), I'll have followers around who've started building the party skills and I've quested in ravenstern villages to get my reputation high enough to decently recruit from them, rangers for the win. If I've got around qualis gems, I'll aim for the saphire bow asap because that accuracy is king. Once I'm famous enough to get 150-200 man army, I'll begin looking for a town or castle to start my own kingdom. Political situations combined with the location are key factors, with the lands next to noldor area and the isolated D'shar town next to fierds behind the mountain being primary candidates. I like Ravenstern areas too for the layout, but my god is that land infested with bandits. You won't have many thriving villages there, there's not enough time in the game to keep the mountains safe. But it's natural recruiting grounds for the rangers and the layout means you'll be attacked from only 2 sides, so it's decent.
I like horse archery for the relative safety it gives. Much less chance to get KO'd by those goddamn javelins...and around 500 archery with a decent bow you easily 1 hit most enemies, even most horses, so cavalry becomes far less intimidating.
I feel pretty bored with my early game, not that the actual playing isn't fun, it just seems like there aren't many options or diversity (not the mod's fault, just the way the game is). I always become a mercenary for a faction that's struggling to maintain the balance like another person posted in another thread (totally feel ya man), so one faction and culture isn't removed from the game. I set up shops in every single town, then join a faction depending on who I want to roll with that game. I always take the max companions (12 I think), and usually the same ones. I play them in different roles each game if possible/if it works with the character. Everything else is probably the same as everyone elses.
Zomgeddon
Recruit
Based on some of the opinions in this thread as well as my long-standing desire to try something different, I've started a horse archer character in this game. To make it (theoretically) a bit easier on myself, I picked a series of backgrounds that gave me Looting 6, hoping that some treasure would compensate for my own lack of skill early game with a stronger army at my back.
I can earnestly say that I've never had a character further in debt than this one. It's partially my own fault for recruiting too many troops, but the loot I was getting just couldn't pay the bills, and for some reason no faction would hire me on as a mercenary! Arena battles were of course quite painful as my swings and blocks were slow, so earning any money there was basically a non-starter.
Finally, I broke down and raided a couple villages, earning the ire of the Fierds and losing honor, but gaining some much needed loot and food (which I was having trouble affording).
Shortly after that, The Empire (who was at war with the Fierds) suddenly decided I'd make a great mercenary and hired me on. Suddenly my money troubles were done, and I jumped in on a few battles, gaining some nicer loot, and also finally starting to gain levels (I was hardly getting anything before). I think things are starting to snowball and my poor little archer's situation is getting better by the day, so I'm hoping I can soon see how much fun it is to be an archer.
One thing I'm not entirely sure of is an archer's role in a field battle. Unlike my NPC archers, I can hit my own troops with shots, so firing into a cluster seems to be a bad idea. In fact, I can fire into a group of multiple enemies and not hit a thing... but put one of my own troops in there? I will nail him with pinpoint accuracy every time. So I guess I'd like a few tips about being a good archer in battles, if anyone has any.
I can earnestly say that I've never had a character further in debt than this one. It's partially my own fault for recruiting too many troops, but the loot I was getting just couldn't pay the bills, and for some reason no faction would hire me on as a mercenary! Arena battles were of course quite painful as my swings and blocks were slow, so earning any money there was basically a non-starter.
Finally, I broke down and raided a couple villages, earning the ire of the Fierds and losing honor, but gaining some much needed loot and food (which I was having trouble affording).
Shortly after that, The Empire (who was at war with the Fierds) suddenly decided I'd make a great mercenary and hired me on. Suddenly my money troubles were done, and I jumped in on a few battles, gaining some nicer loot, and also finally starting to gain levels (I was hardly getting anything before). I think things are starting to snowball and my poor little archer's situation is getting better by the day, so I'm hoping I can soon see how much fun it is to be an archer.
One thing I'm not entirely sure of is an archer's role in a field battle. Unlike my NPC archers, I can hit my own troops with shots, so firing into a cluster seems to be a bad idea. In fact, I can fire into a group of multiple enemies and not hit a thing... but put one of my own troops in there? I will nail him with pinpoint accuracy every time. So I guess I'd like a few tips about being a good archer in battles, if anyone has any.
If you're a horse archer: Pepper the **** out of their infantry lines, it's them that'll mess with you the most.
Foot archer: Horses, Infantry, Archers.
That exact order. You eliminate your biggest threats early.
Foot archer: Horses, Infantry, Archers.
That exact order. You eliminate your biggest threats early.
Rpground
Sergeant at Arms
i start off as the most battle oriented badass i can be in the start of the game,do melee fights till i get about 20-35k. then go around pendor collecting as much renown and adventurers as i can along with my companions. as im doing this i become a merc for a faction (almost always the fierds). during which i save up till i get about 150-200 hero adventurers ready to upgrade at once (not such a drain on my coffers this way and makes a hero or 2 every day) and have about half a mill in the bank. then i go ahead since ive been questing for lords as well,betray the fierds and start my own kingdom with the untouchable fortress of doom getting vassals as i go. or since i got so powerful once just solo sarleon take everything then vassal over to the fierds and work em from the inside out. P:
burnbaby 说:
NO. Only IF you have a ruby bow or similar you can kill high level or even medium level troops with one hit (unless ALL your shots hit on the head), and WM does not change that. Sure, archery is safer than melee when mounted on horseback, and it gives you an almost absurd "killing power" in sieges, but it´s not overpowered, IMHO. In a field battle you can kill more men with a normal melee weapon (not rune or better) than with a normal bow.
Early game of one HA:
Backround- cheftain's son (pay for peace to khan), merchant's care, scholar, lure of gold. This is not best HA setup, but will give most usefull skills.
Pumping INT to get enough skill points to put into medical and fighting area.
3 qualis gems asap-
All 3 spent to get insane +6 str/agi/cha.
Must buy- (spirited) golden dear warhorse (faster than hunter, but better armor and fits your starting 4 in ridding), noldor arrows if found, (fine) short composite bow, (balanced) blunt lance
Sarleon (pure lance) tournaments are great source of income, D'shar ones less so (too many 60+ damage hits)
D'shar outlaws are great source of d'shar arrows, and you need to have at least 6 packs in backpack to solo armored cavalery
Helping vilagers is easy and brings relations and honor, enslaving vanskrey riders is even easier
Your biggest enemy will be horse crossbowman and limited number of arrows.
Go until you have 30 INT, and all medical skills + pathfinding, then form army.
HA is seriously week at the beginning. Nothing more frustrating than seeing shot in the back hitting shield (whch is in front), or having 0 damage headshots.
Other than that, companions are lamed HA-wise, they are too high in level to make them decent HA-s, as you could do in vanilla (befor WB weapon switching 'bug')
Backround- cheftain's son (pay for peace to khan), merchant's care, scholar, lure of gold. This is not best HA setup, but will give most usefull skills.
Pumping INT to get enough skill points to put into medical and fighting area.
3 qualis gems asap-
Rane, training field, Red brotherhood (few Barkley heavy infantry mercs can do trick if your level is low enough).
Must buy- (spirited) golden dear warhorse (faster than hunter, but better armor and fits your starting 4 in ridding), noldor arrows if found, (fine) short composite bow, (balanced) blunt lance
Sarleon (pure lance) tournaments are great source of income, D'shar ones less so (too many 60+ damage hits)
D'shar outlaws are great source of d'shar arrows, and you need to have at least 6 packs in backpack to solo armored cavalery
Helping vilagers is easy and brings relations and honor, enslaving vanskrey riders is even easier
Your biggest enemy will be horse crossbowman and limited number of arrows.
Go until you have 30 INT, and all medical skills + pathfinding, then form army.
HA is seriously week at the beginning. Nothing more frustrating than seeing shot in the back hitting shield (whch is in front), or having 0 damage headshots.
Other than that, companions are lamed HA-wise, they are too high in level to make them decent HA-s, as you could do in vanilla (befor WB weapon switching 'bug')
Zomgeddon
Recruit
I worked on my Horse Archer character for some time, encouraged when some deity manifested himself in my inventory as a Runed bow. My character felt kinda weak, but I struggled up to get the Power Draw 7 required for the bow, but even after finally getting there and equipping the bow, I didn't quite feel as powerful as I would have liked. I think this is mainly due to me simply being a bad shot, but also because, on the field of battle, I find it tough to line up shots when everyone is clustering together.
I went back to my melee style, and I'm having far more fun. I somehow got hold of a runed bastard sword really early in the game, either dropped from an enemy or in a shop (can't remember). It has an awesome reach and can be used 2-hander or 1-hander with a shield. My other weapons are a Jatu lance and a poleaxe, which is awesome for sieges as I can stand behind the lines of men and get tons of kills.
This character feels like a badass, and kills lots of enemies in every battle, which means I'm leveling up quite quickly. I stay away from Archery tournaments, but I also hate the all-lance ones because the AI just likes to stick to me, poking me ineffectually with their weapons but not letting me get any range to do a proper charge. Instead, I love melee tournaments, where I can destroy my enemies in glorious battle and rake in the gold.
I went back to my melee style, and I'm having far more fun. I somehow got hold of a runed bastard sword really early in the game, either dropped from an enemy or in a shop (can't remember). It has an awesome reach and can be used 2-hander or 1-hander with a shield. My other weapons are a Jatu lance and a poleaxe, which is awesome for sieges as I can stand behind the lines of men and get tons of kills.
This character feels like a badass, and kills lots of enemies in every battle, which means I'm leveling up quite quickly. I stay away from Archery tournaments, but I also hate the all-lance ones because the AI just likes to stick to me, poking me ineffectually with their weapons but not letting me get any range to do a proper charge. Instead, I love melee tournaments, where I can destroy my enemies in glorious battle and rake in the gold.
Shire
Sergeant
You 100% on that? I have a feeling like I tested that and it didn't work. I'll test it again.
nope, doesn't replenish arrows, WB 1.152 and PoP 3.51
and unrelated: omg wine is like the most rare commodity in all of Pendor. Made a circle through all cities and most villages and found 1 jar of Wine, what the hell..
nope, doesn't replenish arrows, WB 1.152 and PoP 3.51
and unrelated: omg wine is like the most rare commodity in all of Pendor. Made a circle through all cities and most villages and found 1 jar of Wine, what the hell..
Last tried that on PoP 3.3 and Native, both on WB 1.143 - it was helpful at the beginning when you first solo looters with a crossbow on a horse. Funny you both say it doesn't work, I'll take a peek.placenik 说:Unfortunatelly not. At least in my WB version (1.53). Is my instalation buggy, or there is some mod? BTW, if arrows replenish, I can kill entire armies, so it is kind of lameMadVader 说:
To make sure there is no misunderstanding: I claimed that opening the inventory chest in the middle of a battle replenished equipped arrows (or any missiles in general).
EDIT: Just tried it, you are right, guys. It has to be new in 1.15x. Actually it's a cool feature.
felixng2011
Sergeant at Arms
Not if you can get qualis gems. I dump most of my points into int. I usually can get around 6-10 qualis gems through one play through. I spend all of them on stat potions.Zomgeddon 说:
I can get 10 power draw, strike, ironflesh, leadership, and other skills easily this way. Also 10 for every medical skill and pathfinding.
Those achievements and books also help out. With 10 power draw and the free ruby rune bow you can get I one shot everything except super troops like Demonic Magnus which I can one shot if I head shot them.
Rpground
Sergeant at Arms
felixng2011 说:Not if you can get qualis gems. I dump most of my points into int. I usually can get around 6-10 qualis gems through one play through. I spend all of them on stat potions.Zomgeddon 说:
I can get 10 power draw, strike, ironflesh, leadership, and other skills easily this way. Also 10 for every medical skill and pathfinding.
Those achievements and books also help out. With 10 power draw and the free ruby rune bow you can get I one shot everything except super troops like Demonic Magnus which I can one shot if I head shot them.
you make me sad cause those demons are supposed to instil fear into your heart! ...i know they still do for me D:
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