I´m loving the improved workshops for ~23k denars in 1.8.0:
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Workshops 1.8.0
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Day 278.
So what would you suggest?
Epicrotea has iron, Lycaron has wool, what´s the problem with those workshops there?
In Phycaon was a pottery which also didn´t do much and that´s why I changed it to a brewery which at least worked in someway before 1.8.0.
Epicrotea has iron, Lycaron has wool, what´s the problem with those workshops there?
In Phycaon was a pottery which also didn´t do much and that´s why I changed it to a brewery which at least worked in someway before 1.8.0.
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just having the raw ressources at the town isnt a secure promise that the workshop is running good. f.e. sanala is having one silver ressource very far away and it goes off. you also need to check if there are two workshops of the same kind in a town. i saw that a lot in 1.8.0
your workshops are all centered on the map. as you might noticed there is more war and raids happening in calradia. this can affect the input as the prosperity and hearth growth is getting interrupted and in the worst case decreasing. in addition to that, if caravans are not able to get through the workshop income is only connected to the town demand which is not enough on the long term.
not one of your workshops is concerning luxury goods, which have been reintroduced. you should give it a try.
iam not done with all the testing but it seems like there is more movement on the income with the demands in a town.
a wool weaver which is not affected by the khuzait perk is a gamble. i would give it a try at poros, lycaron could be not good enough on both prosperity and growth. it also cannot get the advantages from the caravans as much as in other places. probably because the centered places are very close to each other so there is no real shortage and constant resupply.
i would dodge on a smith period. smiths are mainly producing weapons which are having a steady price. that means the supply isnt affecting the price for the demand. it seems like there is a lower demand on weapons than on clothing for the caravans and local market so that aint really working for your economy yet.
Ah alright, thanks.
So I just go back to endless fighting to earn money instead of wasting time trying to find the perfect place for a workshop that´ll make me like ~300 denars in the best case while I could make like 10k denars in 5min fighting.
So I just go back to endless fighting to earn money instead of wasting time trying to find the perfect place for a workshop that´ll make me like ~300 denars in the best case while I could make like 10k denars in 5min fighting.
i wouldnt say so but you do you. if you actually use your brain and/or give it some tries you will figure out how it works. you can also spice it up with a caravan leader. iam sorry that there isnt any shiny attention mark to guide you through the decissions you have to make in the game, but dont give up my sweet little snowflake! i have a running economy with the workshops and i can do whatever i want in the game thanks to that. i dont need to rely on fighting and you dont have to aswell! i believe in you!
I´ve also lost just 45k because my kingdom (I´m just a merc) declared war on the the western empire, I guess you would have seen this coming before it happend and never bought workshops there.
But no worries, I just made about 20k in my last 4 fights in 10 minutes so my economy is still working. You see, I´m a pro Bannerlord player myself.
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There is no way you can do whatever you want just making 1500 on your workshops. Even if you are making another 1000 with your caravans that is still chump change. I am assuming you are also trading, but that is all well and good as long as you aren't a noble I guess. Once you start getting involved in wars and such the money drops quick without selling loot from battles. In the end, battles are the only real way to earn a lot of money in the game.
you are totally right, the workshop income is only covering your money as long as you dont need to spend a lot. as long as we are talking about early game, you can do whatever you want. of course you need to make sure that your income is comming from somewhere else once you start dealing with the factions. in the mid/late game you own towns to get your coin. not more than 5 are necessary to overcome multiple tribute payments. i payed 4k denars of tribute to two factions and still got 10k daily out of the towns. that is giving me the freedom to use the loot to share experience to fresh troops i need to upgrade.
"battles are the only real way to earn a lot of money in the game" is based on your experience, but overall wrong and not the case. it's one way.
no i wouldnt have seen that comming. i dont play as a merc very often just because of the things that happened to you. i like to have as much control as possible inside of the game. being a merc is the exact counterpart to me.
there are different ways to play the game and obviously there is nothing wrong with it. its up to you to decide. has nothing to do wether you concider yourself a bannerlord professional gigachad or not. i just dont really get why you blame the workshops for your lack of patience and interest to figure stuff out. especially in that context.
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I understood it already before, too make them somehow "work" you have to play your game around them. Not my business.
it seriously isnt that much as you might think it is, but yes, you need to have an eye on it. once they are running it's fine. i understand it's not everyones taste and as i said, it is clearly underwhelming right now. once iam done testing i might can give you a list with workshops you can blindly go with just to check it out, or maybe flesson is having one someday aswell. all good.
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Hello.
Around version 1.6 what I was doing was roaming all the map, and for example, changing in almost every town the potteries for something else, then bought the pottery in Pen Cannoc (several clay sources around), I did also that for SIlverSmith and almost every existing ressource, that worked, I had workshops - especialy silversmithes - reaching around 1k / day in the best case, but the operation is a mess to do : checking all towns, buying shops/changing production/selling... and very long, and at the start you do not have that much money, so that was meaning keeping a small army to not get annoyed ny looters and roaming the whole map...
In Tyal the wool weavery is very ok that way, especially if you have the town and Dinar Castle (Khuzait) that provides more wool.
The best silversmith has always been Ortysia due to the close source.
Smith in Epicrotea (with Mecalovea castle in the same faction) is also worth it.
Think the ones I 've never managed to make work very well is tannery (even with tons of supplies around), linen weavery, wood workshop remains also medium.
My thoughts, bye
Around version 1.6 what I was doing was roaming all the map, and for example, changing in almost every town the potteries for something else, then bought the pottery in Pen Cannoc (several clay sources around), I did also that for SIlverSmith and almost every existing ressource, that worked, I had workshops - especialy silversmithes - reaching around 1k / day in the best case, but the operation is a mess to do : checking all towns, buying shops/changing production/selling... and very long, and at the start you do not have that much money, so that was meaning keeping a small army to not get annoyed ny looters and roaming the whole map...
In Tyal the wool weavery is very ok that way, especially if you have the town and Dinar Castle (Khuzait) that provides more wool.
The best silversmith has always been Ortysia due to the close source.
Smith in Epicrotea (with Mecalovea castle in the same faction) is also worth it.
Think the ones I 've never managed to make work very well is tannery (even with tons of supplies around), linen weavery, wood workshop remains also medium.
My thoughts, bye
Overall, it´s the same as before but different.
Workshops can "work" and make some denars, but the circumstances need to be right. But now the investment is even higher than before (20k+ denars + a lot of time) and you can lose them instantly when your kingdom declares war or gets war declared on.
Conclusion:
Not really worth it, build them when you have more than enough money (so build them when you don´t really need them anymore, like caravans) but don´t rely on them in any way. Just fight battles for denars as before.
TW (Duh) said something about improving them more (upgrades when?), maybe then they´re worth it.
Workshops can "work" and make some denars, but the circumstances need to be right. But now the investment is even higher than before (20k+ denars + a lot of time) and you can lose them instantly when your kingdom declares war or gets war declared on.
Conclusion:
Not really worth it, build them when you have more than enough money (so build them when you don´t really need them anymore, like caravans) but don´t rely on them in any way. Just fight battles for denars as before.
TW (Duh) said something about improving them more (upgrades when?), maybe then they´re worth it.
It´s just not worth to ****ing invest 20k+ denars in the early game when you need the money. For 20k+ denars I get a lot of troops (T1-T3) and can pay their wages for whatever time.
It´s fine if you don´t understand value.
Workshops help to decrease wages when you have a big army and enough money, but it´s small and still not needed then.
4-5 "good" workshops make what? 2,5k denars a day in a perfect scenario? Otherwise 0,5k-1,5k? That´s less than 0,2 battles mid/late game.
Invest for the 4-5 workshops: 100k+ denars and a lot of time
Invest for the one battle: nothing but 3-4min
Value...
It´s fine if you don´t understand value.
Workshops help to decrease wages when you have a big army and enough money, but it´s small and still not needed then.
4-5 "good" workshops make what? 2,5k denars a day in a perfect scenario? Otherwise 0,5k-1,5k? That´s less than 0,2 battles mid/late game.
Invest for the 4-5 workshops: 100k+ denars and a lot of time
Invest for the one battle: nothing but 3-4min
Value...
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oh my sweet summerchild. surely there is no value on a 70 denar smith
tell me more about understanding values when you finally got a working workshop in early game. its alright tho you dont have to use them. just have a good time. i know because i tested both and having a running daily economy is less stressful as you dont HAVE to go into fights and is giving you the time to focus on other parts of the game. it's more freedom.
to me it is actually a better overall experience, even tho its probably not the most effective. that still would be trading until you can barter settlements btw. note that not every player wants to go your way and that there is more than one way to do it. seing 1500denars + constant before ct 4 daily later on is pretty warming to a lot of guys. they can smith and still get their 10k after 1 minute of waiting in a town. maybe no value for you. you dont need that. totally fine.
sorry dude selling an opinion as a fact without even getting into the topic is just obnoxious. nobody really wants to deal with that bias, except you.
anyway enjoy your time and have a great weekend!
oh my sweet summerchild. surely there is no value on a 70 denar smith
tell me more about understanding values when you finally got a working workshop in early game. its alright tho you dont have to use them. just have a good time. i know because i tested both and having a running daily economy is less stressful as you dont HAVE to go into fights and is giving you the time to focus on other parts of the game. it's more freedom.
to me it is actually a better overall experience, even tho its probably not the most effective. that still would be trading until you can barter settlements btw. note that not every player wants to go your way and that there is more than one way to do it. seing 1500denars + constant before ct 4 daily later on is pretty warming to a lot of guys. they can smith and still get their 10k after 1 minute of waiting in a town. maybe no value for you. you dont need that. totally fine.
sorry dude selling an opinion as a fact without even getting into the topic is just obnoxious. nobody really wants to deal with that bias, except you.
anyway enjoy your time and have a great weekend!
You might well be right about workshops ... but your tone and the way you are arguing is thoroughly obnoxious here.
You manage to sound sarcastic, big-headed, patronising and passive aggressive - all at the same time.
We could really do with much less of this kind of thing on the forums. Just pure toxicity.
