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[Buxton]

So basically when this comes out, the one reason people bought Macs will be gone?

No, they'll still buy them for Logic Pro, and because they're a fashion accessory.

 

[Oyipggy]

Quite true. Everyone I know who bought a Mac because "Vista sux lol" and "Macs are cool man!" hates it now. They're awesome looking, but they just don't work.

But seriously, Windows 7 had better be damned great. I've only ever had one problem with Vista. I think people blame it for too much, when the problem is often not Vista. That said, there are plenty of things that I still don't know how to do, and I've had Vista on here for...6 months? It took me almost a month to realize where the command prompt was. Not too user-friendly if you ask me.

Edit: Okay, so one of the two reasons will be gone.

 

[captain lust]

Yeah I agree that macs are seen as a fashion accessory but placing all mac users in that category isn't fair.

As far as graphic design goes, you can't beat a mac.

 

[your nightmare]

Yep macs are great for music recording too.

 

[Austupaio]

The only reason I don't use a Mac is because I game. I actually did use a Mac as well as a PC before the incompatibility and the need of money issues arose.

 

[Buxton]

Yeah I agree that macs are seen as a fashion accessory but placing all mac users in that category isn't fair.

As far as graphic design goes, you can't beat a mac.

I don't know, I personally find them annoying unstable. They're really tempermental when I use them, and they never just simple pause for a second, they just completely fall over. My experience is that in Vista, the program would freeze more often, but it would generally sort itself out after awhile, but on the Mac, the program would freeze, then refuse to close down, freeze the task manager, then the whole thing would refuse to shut down, so I'm stuck with unsaved work, and I have to switch it off at the socket.

At least with Vista I know it'll work before it crashes, with a Mac it's a gambling game if it decides it wants to load up everything or not.

 

[captain lust]

Yeah I agree that macs are seen as a fashion accessory but placing all mac users in that category isn't fair.

As far as graphic design goes, you can't beat a mac.

I don't know, I personally find them annoying unstable. They're really tempermental when I use them, and they never just simple pause for a second, they just completely fall over. My experience is that in Vista, the program would freeze more often, but it would generally sort itself out after awhile, but on the Mac, the program would freeze, then refuse to close down, freeze the task manager, then the whole thing would refuse to shut down, so I'm stuck with unsaved work, and I have to switch it off at the socket.

At least with Vista I know it'll work before it crashes, with a Mac it's a gambling game if it decides it wants to load up everything or not.

This kind of stuff is really insignificant, to graphic designers. The way in which macs handle fonts and how macs are designed to cope with running a lot of programs at the same time are both much more important, in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Oyipggy]

This kind of stuff is really insignificant, to graphic designers. The way in which macs handle fonts and how macs are designed to cope with running a lot of programs at the same time are both much more important, in the grand scheme of things.

Yea. Those graphic designers don't care if their computer completely freezes.

And you can stop defending Macs. They suck again.

except for editing stuff

 

[Zilberfrid]

Graphic designers, like all designers, generally do not like their work to crash in the night before the deadline.

 

[Buxton]

Yeah, the way Macs handle Ram is really useful, but I guess that's where the unstability lies when you try and do something new. When I'm photoshopping I'll have a whole range of programs open, and I need to switch quickly without fear of stuttering.

 

[captain lust]

Graphic designers, like all designers, generally do not like their work to crash in the night before the deadline.

Since when has it been fact that this is the case? As far as I'm concerned, this is an outlandish statement.

I don't use a mac because they don't suit my needs but seeing as both my parents were (are) graphic designers, macs were the first computers I learned to use. I have a lot of respect for the brand and the benefits it can offer to certain industries.

 

[janlulhannes]

Mac asks ridiculous prices for their hardware, its funny actually that people really buy it.
Apple asks around twice the normal price for its hardware components 

 

[vadermath]

Since when has it been fact that this is the case? As far as I'm concerned, this is an outlandish statement.

I don't use a mac because they don't suit my needs but seeing as both my parents were (are) graphic designers, macs were the first computers I learned to use. I have a lot of respect for the brand and the benefits it can offer to certain industries.

He's right, the Mac benefits many industries. The first one that comes to my mind is the Mac industry, which it helps by getting piles of cash.

 

[Oyipggy]

I don't use a mac because they don't suit my needs but seeing as both my parents were (are) graphic designers, macs were the first computers I learned to use. I have a lot of respect for the brand and the benefits it can offer to certain industries.

Ah yes, buy them out of "respect for the brand". (WHAT?!) Or, buy a PC. Because they work.

He's right, the Mac benefits many industries. The first one that comes to my mind is the Mac industry, which it helps by getting piles of cash.

 

[captain lust]

Mac asks ridiculous prices for their hardware, its funny actually that people really buy it.
Apple asks around twice the normal price for its hardware components 

They wouldn't charge that much, if people didn't pay. Charging a lot of money is what you get to do, when you create a successful brand and a good product.

Since when has it been fact that this is the case? As far as I'm concerned, this is an outlandish statement.

I don't use a mac because they don't suit my needs but seeing as both my parents were (are) graphic designers, macs were the first computers I learned to use. I have a lot of respect for the brand and the benefits it can offer to certain industries.

He's right, the Mac benefits many industries. The first one that comes to my mind is the Mac industry, which it helps by getting piles of cash.

haha, as opposed to the benevolent Microsoft, I suppose?

Yeah same again: Apple charge a lot of money for their products, because they can. You can't really criticise them, for business sense...

I don't use a mac because they don't suit my needs but seeing as both my parents were (are) graphic designers, macs were the first computers I learned to use. I have a lot of respect for the brand and the benefits it can offer to certain industries.

Ah yes, buy them out of "respect for the brand". (WHAT?!) Or, buy a PC. Because they work.

Interesting. You seem completely unwilling (or unable) to read what I've said.

I haven't suggested that anyone should buy macs, solely, out of respect for the brand. I quite clearly stated that I don't use one. I haven't owned one, for years and I've never bought one.

Or, buy a PC. Because they work.

Are you trying to suggest that Macs don't operate?

 

[janlulhannes]

Mac asks ridiculous prices for their hardware, its funny actually that people really buy it.
Apple asks around twice the normal price for its hardware components 

They wouldn't charge that much, if people didn't pay. Charging a lot of money is what you get to do, when you create a successful brand and a good product.

Or people buy it to be "exclusive". I allways had a feeling apple tried to get a niche market for people who pay to be different.

Or, buy a PC. Because they work.

Are you trying to suggest that Macs don't operate?

He is suggesting that PC's work too, for half the cost.

 

[Oyipggy]

Or people buy it to be "exclusive". I allways had a feeling apple tried to get a niche market for people who pay to be different.

Are you trying to suggest that Macs don't operate?

He is suggesting that PC's work too, for half the cost.

That.

They wouldn't charge that much, if people didn't pay. Charging a lot of money is what you get to do, when you create a successful brand and a good product.

Funny thing about Apple is...if they hadn't created the iPod, it would have been LONG gone. So, place the "successful brand and a good product" where it belongs. Which is not on Macs, but on the iPod.

And if we're making accusations, you are very much insinuating that PCs are not good products, and that Microsoft is not successful.

My father knew someone who worked for Microsoft straight out of college. He retired on his company stock shares when he was 30. But yea, I bet Apple is a more profitable company.

 

[captain lust]

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Mac asks ridiculous prices for their hardware, its funny actually that people really buy it.
Apple asks around twice the normal price for its hardware components 

They wouldn't charge that much, if people didn't pay. Charging a lot of money is what you get to do, when you create a successful brand and a good product.

Or people buy it to be "exclusive". I allways had a feeling apple tried to get a niche market for people who pay to be different.

Yeah, there are certainly a lot of new mac users who have their computers as fashion objects. Whilst I don't object to that, explicitly, many of these people are also raging snobs. A personality trait which I find detestable.

Or people buy it to be "exclusive". I allways had a feeling apple tried to get a niche market for people who pay to be different.

Are you trying to suggest that Macs don't operate?

He is suggesting that PC's work too, for half the cost.

That.

Again, I'm not denying that PCs work. I am a PC user and I'm very happy with my machine. For graphic design, though, macs are the industry standard and for good reason.

I haven't said that PCs are ****. I haven't even said that macs are better than PCs, overall. All I've said is that there are some things that macs do better than PCs. One of those things is graphic design.

They wouldn't charge that much, if people didn't pay. Charging a lot of money is what you get to do, when you create a successful brand and a good product.

Funny thing about Apple is...if they hadn't created the iPod, it would have been LONG gone. So, place the "successful brand and a good product" where it belongs. Which is not on Macs, but on the iPod.

As far as I can tell, mac computers do very well. The new wave of "artsy" type mac lovers has helped them to no end. They're iPod has also been extremely successful, yes.

And if we're making accusations, you are very much insinuating that PCs are not good products, and that Microsoft is not successful.

If you're referring to when I said: "Are you trying to suggest that Macs don't operate?", you couldn't be more wrong. I was, simply, trying to understand your point. Please, stop putting 2 and 2 together to get 5. I'm not looking for an arguement. You seem to have pigeon-holed me as a mac fanboy which is completely innacurate. Like I've said, I don't even own a mac, personally and I haven't, for some time.

My father knew someone who worked for Microsoft straight out of college. He retired on his company stock shares when he was 30. But yea, I bet Apple is a more profitable company.

Again, why the aggressive/sarcastic tone? What are you trying to prove and why?

I haven't suggested Microsoft are less profitable than Apple. I haven't suggested they do badly financially, at all. The only time I even mentioned Microsoft was in response to vadermath, effectively, saying that Apple were corporate bastards. And all I did was point out that Microsoft probably are too.

Is it just me? Am I sending out these hidden, hostile messages?

 

[Oyipggy]

You really are. Not even kidding right now, all your posts have been rather argumentative.

And what I meant with the iPod is: Apple would not have been successful without it. Therefore, nobody would have wanted their other products.

 

[captain lust]

You really are. Not even kidding right now, all your posts have been rather argumentative.

Well I'm sorry to have come across that way but looking at the facts, most of what you seemed to imply that I had said was just untrue.

And what I meant with the iPod is: Apple would not have been successful without it. Therefore, nobody would have wanted their other products.

Well that's a bit of a moot point because Apple did make the iPod. Apple seemed to be doing perfectly well, before the iPod, though.