Wilders in Court, I think he doesn't like Muslims or something

Should Wilder be taken to court?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 48.6%
  • No

    Votes: 19 51.4%

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Elenmmare

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11464025

The Dutch anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders has gone on trial in Amsterdam accused of inciting hatred against Muslims.

"I am on trial, but on trial with me is the freedom of expression of many Dutch citizens," he told the court.

If found guilty, Mr Wilders faces up to a year in jail or a fine of up to 7,600 euros ($10,000).

The trial comes as Mr Wilders' political influence soars - he is set to be a shadow partner of the next coalition government.

Mr Wilders is facing five charges of inciting hatred and discrimination against Muslims.

His statements have included calling Islam fascist and likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Opinions? I think it's unlikely that he'll be convicted, and in any case it's really only serving to cement his authority.
 
That bastard ****ing deserves it. He does spread hatred and don't you dare using your own freedom of speech, because that will be classified as 'a threat' by his minions.

Freedom of speech is a good thing, but there is a line which you shouldn't cross.
 
Taking him to court will only help him getting more people behind him. Just ignore him, people. That's the only thing that helps against stupid politicians.
 
Stinus said:
That bastard ****ing deserves it. He does spread hatred and don't you dare using your own freedom of speech, because that will be classified as 'a threat' by his minions.

Freedom of speech is a good thing, but there is a line which you shouldn't cross.

+1. And +1, +1, +1 and then some.

He IS spreading hatred, and saying anything against him IS seen as a threat. In short, for him and his party he's the only one who gets freedom of speech.
Ofcourse, the whole daft party is filled with these inconsistensies and ironic ****. His "Party of Freedom" is closest to fascism of all the parties, he rants and raves against politicians getting too much money but he has the state paying ****tonnes for his security and his party keeps hammering on "security" but also has atleast THREE members convicted/suspected of abuse! (One headbutting a member of a different party, in a bar. One punching a barman and one for heavily abusing his wife!)
 
Zaakjes said:
Taking him to court will only help him getting more people behind him. Just ignore him, people. That's the only thing that helps against stupid politicians.

Yeah, that's part of the reason why I'm on the fence about taking him to court. The other part being that putting people on trial simply for hate speech may become something of a slippery slope. White supremacists are just as hateful, but they're still entitled to freedom of speech. While I do think that people like Wilders are actually more of a threat for a number of reasons, from a legal perspective it's the same thing.

That said, Wilders is still a bigoted piece of **** either way, and the Dutch should be ashamed of themselves for letting someone like him possess such great influence.
 
Oh, no! A year in federal prison, probably closer to six monthes with good behaviour and parole?

Oh, and seven thousand pounds! That's a lot of money to federal politician!
 
If he ends up in prison, PVV party fans are gonna cause problems instead, but this time without any tactic in it - just blind hate spreading.
 
Austupaio said:
Oh, no! A year in federal prison, probably closer to six monthes with good behaviour and parole?

Oh, and seven thousand pounds! That's a lot of money to federal politician!

The point is the criminal record. Tends to get in the way of a political career.
 
Archonsod said:
Austupaio said:
Oh, no! A year in federal prison, probably closer to six monthes with good behaviour and parole?

Oh, and seven thousand pounds! That's a lot of money to federal politician!

The point is the criminal record. Tends to get in the way of a political career.

George W. Bush had been convicted twice for possesion of heroin, yet...
 
Amroth said:
So you're saying the right thing shouldn't be done, because it will only cause people to be violent, Zaakjes?
"The right thing shouldn't be done"? Do you suggest there that I intend to screw my country?  :razz:

I never said "violent" though. When Wilders is free, his followers copy his ideas. When Wilders is taken out, people will speak for him freely. Followers of his are often extremists, so that could be the way how things are said for him instead.
 
Zaakjes said:
Amroth said:
So you're saying the right thing shouldn't be done, because it will only cause people to be violent, Zaakjes?
"The right thing shouldn't be done"? Do you suggest there that I intend to screw my country?  :razz:

I never said "violent" though. When Wilders is free, his followers copy his ideas. When Wilders is taken out, people will speak for him freely. Followers of his are often extremists, so that could be the way how things are said for him instead.
I never suggested you don't care for country, it just seems you are against him going to trial.

True.  I agree with you about the extremist.
 
Elenmmare said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11464025

The Dutch anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders has gone on trial in Amsterdam accused of inciting hatred against Muslims.

"I am on trial, but on trial with me is the freedom of expression of many Dutch citizens," he told the court.

If found guilty, Mr Wilders faces up to a year in jail or a fine of up to 7,600 euros ($10,000).

The trial comes as Mr Wilders' political influence soars - he is set to be a shadow partner of the next coalition government.

Mr Wilders is facing five charges of inciting hatred and discrimination against Muslims.

His statements have included calling Islam fascist and likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Opinions? I think it's unlikely that he'll be convicted, and in any case it's really only serving to cement his authority.

In a country where freedom of speech, open sexuality, homosexual marriages and equality of sex is a main value, I guess its understandable why a conservative politician would see islam as ''fascism''. He see's the islamic religion as an attack on those values, we should not just shut him up but he has to go to jail, the PVV party is known for their struggle towards severe and strict justice system, if he is convicted it would be the politically strategic thing to do. He'll probably share some meals with some muslim inmates...
As for his political ideology about islam, Religion does not make a man into a barbarian, the man does this to himself.
 
Amroth said:
Zaakjes said:
Amroth said:
So you're saying the right thing shouldn't be done, because it will only cause people to be violent, Zaakjes?
"The right thing shouldn't be done"? Do you suggest there that I intend to screw my country?  :razz:

I never said "violent" though. When Wilders is free, his followers copy his ideas. When Wilders is taken out, people will speak for him freely. Followers of his are often extremists, so that could be the way how things are said for him instead.
I never suggested you don't care for country, it just seems you are against him going to trial.

True.  I agree with you about the extremist.
I am against him going to trial indeed. This will be with capitals in the newspapers and his popularity will even increase. Fans will support 'their hero', which I predict to be causing problems. Rather political than violent.
 
It's not exactly hard to be charged with inciting racial hatred against Islam, since muslims are hilariously intolerant of others but expect others to be tolerant of their, often extreme, views. It's one of those hypocritical, politically-correct things that has taken a hold of society. A few people decide to burn some Koran books? Get the police involved, media involved, call them bigoted and racist. On the same day, muslims stood outside... somewhere of American significance and burned the American flag, all the while praising Allah and call it freedom of speech/expression.

It's a funny world we live in.
 
William Lawless said:
somewhere of American significance and burned the American flag, all the while praising Allah and call it freedom of speech/expression.

they don't call it freedom of speech, they call it Jihad.
Since the day some ****ed up europeans used the holy grail story to unite and fight a common enemy (wich kicked their arses btw), don't start with the 'who's religion is the most ****ed up' game... Christians have always went through many troubles to kill muslims... for many reasons, while muslims well... they immigrate.
 
Overgeneralisation? Check. Pointless rhetoric? Check. Irrelevant metaphors? Check.


Man, I didn't know Wilders had an account here.
 
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