Why you dont skip the turtorial.

[Marlax]

So the tutorial is a drag. never liked them. however in this game at the moment its extremely useful.

stat points are very valuable. many times i have tried investing into each to get the best possible starting buffs.
charm and leadership both have very useful perks to start the game with but in this last play through i focused mainly on my army buffs. no charm no leadership.as i couldn't level leadership until clan tier 2.

while doing this quest. you dont have to worry about money or healing or troops. you can freely fail the quest over and over heal up and go back. leveling your athletics and your melee stats early without wasting any xp on other activities.

but the real kicker and reason this is op is you get a free 50 stat points in charm. free. the first 2 perks unlock for you during the quest so you can start the game with the main useful charm abilities even specing just into melee or other perks. making points into charm early obsolete but also means if you build a character based purely into charm like i do with my trading based characters you may be able to get 100 points in charm at the start. opening the first 3 or 4 skills and having a massive relation buff early.

also this makes a hideout spawn at the start of the game thats weak early. which you can use for a quick gold buff at the start and reputation ect from local village quests to remove it. add to this if you are a merchant you most likly got the mace combo on your character and each of those sell for 1600 to 1700 a piece. so you can get a hefty 4 or 5k bonus gold at the start of the game.

 

[bigbalzzz]

So the tutorial is a drag. never liked them. however in this game at the moment its extremely useful.

stat points are very valuable. many times i have tried investing into each to get the best possible starting buffs.
charm and leadership both have very useful perks to start the game with but in this last play through i focused mainly on my army buffs. no charm no leadership.as i couldn't level leadership until clan tier 2.

while doing this quest. you dont have to worry about money or healing or troops. you can freely fail the quest over and over heal up and go back. leveling your athletics and your melee stats early without wasting any xp on other activities.

but the real kicker and reason this is op is you get a free 50 stat points in charm. free. the first 2 perks unlock for you during the quest so you can start the game with the main useful charm abilities even specing just into melee or other perks. making points into charm early obsolete but also means if you build a character based purely into charm like i do with my trading based characters you may be able to get 100 points in charm at the start. opening the first 3 or 4 skills and having a massive relation buff early.

you do know its a low perioty bug that will be fixed later right?

 

[cyresdog]

Or you... just cheat? Because that is pretty much what you do rn, you cheat the game but instead of actually doing what cheating is supposed to do in a SP game (Save time) you waste time. Good Job

 

[Ananda_The_Destroyer]

You do know that every level reduces you learning speed for all skills permanently right? So trying to powerlevel/exploit dum stuff like charm and athletics actually retards (what word actually means) all future growth in more important skills that you would actually benefit from.
Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

 

[Owen Wulfson]

You do know that every level reduces you learning speed for all skills permanently right? So trying to powerlevel/exploit dum stuff like charm and athletics actually retards (what word actually means) all future growth in more important skills that you would actually benefit from.
Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

I actually didn't realize there was such a diminution in exp value upon leveling. I've been running arena fights with one of my character to level him up. I just wanted a character that was leveled, geared and ready to go when the whole (or most) of this game was playable. It's just day 3 of the campaign and I have him at level 9 with over 40,000 denars along with a 62 in One Handed, 56 in Crossbow and 54 in Athletics (give or take).

If what you say is true, then it might be best for me to wait and see if the new beta material makes leveling a more conducive process. I didn't skip the tutorial because I thought grabbing the Charm boost seemed a sensible boon - but now it's starting to seem like a bad idea. Not that I can't overcome such a hurtle given enough time. After all, the game expects you to be able to level to at least 22 - although my last char (played for 9 game years) only got to lvl 18.

 

[Punchtown Hero]

Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

hey man don't dog on my athletics, I prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with my men lol.

 

[Ananda_The_Destroyer]

I'd say just do what you want, they'll probably change the leveling/skill system several times anyways. I personally don't think they should have a learning rate reduction for anything other then increasing the actual skills level, especially since it can be difficult to not gain SP in some things.
I focused on just getting riding to 275 asap for the perk, but the perk doesn't work anyways it turned out.

 

[barcibus]

You do know that every level reduces you learning speed for all skills permanently right? So trying to powerlevel/exploit dum stuff like charm and athletics actually retards (what word actually means) all future growth in more important skills that you would actually benefit from.
Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

Is this true? Getting points in one skill slows down xp gain in that skill, but you can confirm that it slows down xp gain in all other skills as well?
This hasn't been my experience because I can quickly gain low level skill points even when I'm level 16, but I didn't actually do any sort of quantifiable testing on it.

 

[xilake7428]

You do know that every level reduces you learning speed for all skills permanently right? So trying to powerlevel/exploit dum stuff like charm and athletics actually retards (what word actually means) all future growth in more important skills that you would actually benefit from.
Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

athletics is the most important skill ?

 

[Ananda_The_Destroyer]

Is this true? Getting points in one skill slows down xp gain in that skill, but you can confirm that it slows down xp gain in all other skills as well?
This hasn't been my experience because I can quickly gain low level skill points even when I'm level 16, but I didn't actually do any sort of quantifiable testing on it.

Just look at the learning rate of a skill you don't really use then look at again after you've leveled up after raising other skills and you'll see it gone down.

 

[Marlax]

You do know that every level reduces you learning speed for all skills permanently right? So trying to powerlevel/exploit dum stuff like charm and athletics actually retards (what word actually means) all future growth in more important skills that you would actually benefit from.
Athletics is fine later when you've got high riding, weapons of choice and other skills you need but grinding it early is a bad idea dude.

well from the builds i have tried. honestly you dont need to max anything in riding. first couple levels are fine. no millitary bonus stats for your men really. you can get a desert horse which is fast and does what you need. as for slowing progress with all the builds i have tried focused or not the progress is about the same by the time you get to that level. so when i leveled pure 2 hand and athletics for instance my 2 hand was still low and athletics still around perk 3 by lvl 11.
with builds taht focus on trading and charm ect i dont require a horse because its all auto resolves. athletics no points about perk 3 at lvl 11. so it doesnt matter so much.
if you want to focus on any weapon stats you either do ranged or 2 hand they are the only ones worth anything to your army.
if you want your units to be stronger in battle, athletics leadership and medicine.
personal defence atheltics medine seige and scouting.

there is really only 3 options you either focus only on your character. only on your army. or your focus on trade.

getting 50 points in charm isnt wasted or slowing your progress by that much and it allows for more relation. more renown from perk 2 which levels your clan which speeds up the games development.

to be frank it seems relitivly useless to use anything but social and intelligence stats for anything. leveling atheltics as you travel.
the only reason to focus on weapons and smithing is for a solo character . since you get massive damage buffs ect but just having movement speed is enough to win any fight which is why you probably like horses so much.

charm is probably one of the top stats in the game either way becasue it opens up more troop recruitment early. easier quest completion early. so more gold. then later it helps you get castles and get allies.

the only reason to level riding and any weapon ability is purely if you want to make a character thats able to turn tides of battle on their own. but you can do that without the buffs either way. you dont need stats in polearm to lance someone or 1 hand to use a shield. and no weapon has any required stats to use.

i would consider atheltics one of the most important abilities in the game so idk why you wouldnt level it first. it single handedly will make you able to win any fight on foot. aswell as buff your troops allowing them to win many more wars. medicine would be a close second as the healing to your men allows for more fights and the hurt soldiers you get back even with a .8% chance is crazy. my losses went from like 40 too 10 with not even a 1% chance . allowing for more experianced troops. who are now buffed with bonus hp and damage

 

[Marlax]

Or you... just cheat? Because that is pretty much what you do rn, you cheat the game but instead of actually doing what cheating is supposed to do in a SP game (Save time) you waste time. Good Job

i downloaded a cheat program but it doesnt work for me. also im not really into playing games that are drawn out i enjoy building and creating so right now i have made over 40 characters with different stats so i have tried so many you get very good at leveling early and can tell when its fast or grindy. leveling a character thats purely 2 hand and athletics for instance is a huge pain.

 

[Sidhwen_Khorest]

I mean, yes the tutorial gives you a good start, though the whole +50 bonus into charm is just a bug I'm almost certain so i wouldn't count on that. If you are a new player I would say, on top of the tutorial teaching you how to play, its useful for leveling a bit before the game starts. however, I find I can pretty much get my first levels from looters and money from looters with no problem as a vet coming from warband. I played the tutorial once out of curiosity but I don't feel its necessary to get a strong start at all.

 

[Marlax]

I actually didn't realize there was such a diminution in exp value upon leveling. I've been running arena fights with one of my character to level him up. I just wanted a character that was leveled, geared and ready to go when the whole (or most) of this game was playable. It's just day 3 of the campaign and I have him at level 9 with over 40,000 denars along with a 62 in One Handed, 56 in Crossbow and 54 in Athletics (give or take).

If what you say is true, then it might be best for me to wait and see if the new beta material makes leveling a more conducive process. I didn't skip the tutorial because I thought grabbing the Charm boost seemed a sensible boon - but now it's starting to seem like a bad idea. Not that I can't overcome such a hurtle given enough time. After all, the game expects you to be able to level to at least 22 - although my last char (played for 9 game years) only got to lvl 18.

it depends on your goal, if you want to level just melee and personal stats then dont do anything besides fight. its a long grindy process. because you cant passivly level melee stats you have to personally go and kill enemies. easiest way for ranged is join an army fight inside and when they win stay at the end and kill all your allies.

if your focused on a millitary power athletics leadership medicine and charm are the top points.

charm and most other stats first 2 abilities are generally useful and charm basicly just lets you acquire troops and the abilitiy to join a kingdom faster.

why im saying this is good is because you can save all your skill points in your character creation and still get the benifit of teh charm bonus. focus points are easy to get but you cant get those stat points very often.

 

[Marlax]

I mean, yes the tutorial gives you a good start, though the whole +50 bonus into charm is just a bug I'm almost certain so i wouldn't count on that. If you are a new player I would say, on top of the tutorial teaching you how to play, its useful for leveling a bit before the game starts. however, I find I can pretty much get my first levels from looters and money from looters with no problem as a vet coming from warband. I played the tutorial once out of curiosity but I don't feel its necessary to get a strong start at all.

its not necessary but its simple to just keep fighting there instead of looking around for fights the enemies are weaker as well. and starting the game you will have something to hit early.

 

[Marlax]

i have found for leveling melee stats though maxing out endurance and athletics early helped a lot because you can move faster so its easier to kill banits but also you give your men hp so they can absorb more punishment for you while you are smacking the enemy on their shield wall.

 

[Sidhwen_Khorest]

its not necessary but its simple to just keep fighting there instead of looking around for fights the enemies are weaker as well. and starting the game you will have something to hit early.

I haven't ever had to look for looters lol, they are everywhere dude. But also if you want to level your skills without risking HP tournaments are great, and they give a crazy amount of gold if you bet on them for someone who is just starting out. I guess it boils down to preference, since either way you are just grinding out some beginner stats. I skipped the tutorial mission in warband too, even though it gave a good amount of gold to start.

 

[Marlax]

I haven't ever had to look for looters lol, they are everywhere dude. But also if you want to level your skills without risking HP tournaments are great, and they give a crazy amount of gold if you bet on them for someone who is just starting out. I guess it boils down to preference, since either way you are just grinding out some beginner stats. I skipped the tutorial mission in warband too, even though it gave a good amount of gold to start.

just saves time. tordaments you have to go and find them fight do the dialog.
in the turtorial for instance if you fully spec into athletics you can freely run on foot with no risk of bandit attacks and purely level up atheltcs for the start of the game no wasted xp
riding aswell if you wanted.

you are also currently able to take your brothers gear and give yourself high tier armor to fight with

 

[Twitch/Pappus]

I actually didn't realize there was such a diminution in exp value upon leveling. I've been running arena fights with one of my character to level him up. I just wanted a character that was leveled, geared and ready to go when the whole (or most) of this game was playable. It's just day 3 of the campaign and I have him at level 9 with over 40,000 denars along with a 62 in One Handed, 56 in Crossbow and 54 in Athletics (give or take).

If what you say is true, then it might be best for me to wait and see if the new beta material makes leveling a more conducive process. I didn't skip the tutorial because I thought grabbing the Charm boost seemed a sensible boon - but now it's starting to seem like a bad idea. Not that I can't overcome such a hurtle given enough time. After all, the game expects you to be able to level to at least 22 - although my last char (played for 9 game years) only got to lvl 18.

You don't realize because it is not true.

You gain focus points and attribute points faster at the start because you need less skill levels per level but the speed of learning doesn't care if you have 300 stats or 1 it cares about what the actual level of the skill is, the attribute points and the focus points.

However if you want to level charm fast just buy a horse from the lords you pass buy and it will explode.

 

[Ananda_The_Destroyer]

well from the builds i have tried. honestly you dont need to max anything in riding. first couple levels are fine. no millitary bonus stats for your men really. you can get a desert horse which is fast and does what you need. as for slowing progress with all the builds i have tried focused or not the progress is about the same by the time you get to that level. so when i leveled pure 2 hand and athletics for instance my 2 hand was still low and athletics still around perk 3 by lvl 11.
with builds taht focus on trading and charm ect i dont require a horse because its all auto resolves. athletics no points about perk 3 at lvl 11. so it doesnt matter so much.
if you want to focus on any weapon stats you either do ranged or 2 hand they are the only ones worth anything to your army.
if you want your units to be stronger in battle, athletics leadership and medicine.
personal defence atheltics medine seige and scouting.

there is really only 3 options you either focus only on your character. only on your army. or your focus on trade.

getting 50 points in charm isnt wasted or slowing your progress by that much and it allows for more relation. more renown from perk 2 which levels your clan which speeds up the games development.

to be frank it seems relitivly useless to use anything but social and intelligence stats for anything. leveling atheltics as you travel.
the only reason to focus on weapons and smithing is for a solo character . since you get massive damage buffs ect but just having movement speed is enough to win any fight which is why you probably like horses so much.

charm is probably one of the top stats in the game either way becasue it opens up more troop recruitment early. easier quest completion early. so more gold. then later it helps you get castles and get allies.

the only reason to level riding and any weapon ability is purely if you want to make a character thats able to turn tides of battle on their own. but you can do that without the buffs either way. you dont need stats in polearm to lance someone or 1 hand to use a shield. and no weapon has any required stats to use.

i would consider atheltics one of the most important abilities in the game so idk why you wouldnt level it first. it single handedly will make you able to win any fight on foot. aswell as buff your troops allowing them to win many more wars. medicine would be a close second as the healing to your men allows for more fights and the hurt soldiers you get back even with a .8% chance is crazy. my losses went from like 40 too 10 with not even a 1% chance . allowing for more experianced troops. who are now buffed with bonus hp and damage

What skill did you get to 275+ first? I wanted the Mounted rider +30% speed perk and if it was coded in the game would be a big advantage.