Please guys for the love of god think of Early Access as a demo, not an official release.
The developers should not have used it here and it has given many the impression that this is a full release when it is clearly not.
I think (speaking from experience), 5-15 year olds have stronger need to comment on things, to give reviews, to let the world know what they feel/think/experienced, while they decide to do so after spending only a short time with that activity. Older guys (like myself) tend to withheld feedback, they dont need to raise their voice so often and so loud, especially if the feedback would be negative. Once the older guy decides to give a written negative review, he usually takes much more time to think it through (compared to teenagers), the text is longer and structured, he highlights or repeats the most important ideas in the text, he usually reads it after himself and makes changes before giving it out.I was referring to the "teenagers" bit. I can't fathom why he felt the need to add that.
Right, it's clearly not the full release. That's not an excuse, though. To reiterate: in this industry, Early Access is your release. There is no misconception by the community on that, only on TW's side. Do you expect everyone to just fully ignore this game until the EA label is removed? No, of course not. Clans have been formed, events have been run, a community has been created (and died, by now) around the game. It's not a paid demo, and to argue that it is requires massive blinders. A demo contains a slice of gameplay, made to entice your potential players into buying the full version. EA is a label slapped on unfinished games to release them prematurely. If the full game is available to the public, it is released.
But even ignoring all that, Bannerlord had an multiplayer alpha and beta before EA, during which TW fixed bugs we found, and categorically ignored all feedback on the gameplay, because they had it all figured out, and once they release it to the public, we'd see how we were wrong to doubt. Yet here we are, nearly 2 years later, still with the same garbage.
If TW truly wanted player feedback while they develop the game, they would not have released the game into EA. They would have expanded the beta to include singleplayer content, and worked with that. Instead, they deliberately chose to release the entire thing to the public. This. Is. A. Release.
TW is entirely to blame for that decision, and the community is right to throw that in their faces, especially when even now, more than a year after EA release, they still haven't told us what will be in the final game.
You clearly don't know TW standards, if you saw in what state they left the alpha, you would know the bar is very low. Beta is already finished. This is their intended release.Early Access is a paid-for beta. I don't know why Taleworlds chose to do an Early Access (perhaps they were running out of cash), but it was a bad idea. As a consumer it would be much better for you to think of this as a paid-for beta.
In that SovietWomble video the guy earlier posted he does say "Early Access is your release", however he's talking about the first impression the consumer gets. This is true, your first impresesion with an Early Access game is of a broken product (which is why I don't like Early Access as a concept), but it is better for you personally as a consumer and for community relations in general if you try and think of it not as a released product but as a paid-for beta (even though Taleworlds already had a beta).
That's what you or me would do if we were in charge.Why I wrote that: If I were an owner/manager of a company producing a game like Bannerlord, I would definitely look more for feedback from guys 25+ years old, than from teenagers. I would read the reviews that are long, ignore the reviews consisting of only one sentence (even so if not complete). Also, I would focus on negative reviews. Why? Because I would want to make my product better and not to look for ways to confort my ego.
You are very incorrect.Early Access is a paid-for beta
No, I think it's just helped me to understand the mindset of people who hang around this forum; the most toxic people appear to be people who simply hang around the forum to recreationally complain without actually playing the game, and the major problem in general seems to be not necessarily the development of the game itself so much as the concept of Early Access and it being used carelessly@Corsair831 Any regrets making this post? Lol
Well when you only have 20 players I guess it is easier to stay in touch with them. They probably have lunch with them.I've had more communication with the devs of Chivalry than with Bannerlord. ?
Could you link me to that please?Well when you only have 20 players I guess it is easier to stay in touch with them. They probably have lunch with them.
Regarding the OP - comparing this discussion to a similar discussion on reddit (a much larger platform for this games community) today is very interesting...
Reddit - Dive into anything
www.reddit.com
Sorry thought I did - https://www.reddit.com/r/mountandbl...nnerlord_singleplayer_feels_like_a_much_more/Could you link me to that please?
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I've just searched through the various Mount and Blade reddits where they're discussing Bannerlord and they all seem at least 10x as positive as this forum. I've had conversations with people in-game who also all seem to love Bannerlord. I'm starting to get the feeling that it is literally just this forum which is an echo chamber of people who dislike the game egging each other on, and outside of here people are actually very positive towards it
It would be easy for me to agree with you and just say - "yeah forum users are all negative nancies"...Thanks
I've just searched through the various Mount and Blade reddits where they're discussing Bannerlord and they all seem at least 10x as positive as this forum. I've had conversations with people in-game who also all seem to love Bannerlord. I'm starting to get the feeling that it is literally just this forum which is an echo chamber of people who dislike the game egging each other on, and outside of here people are actually very positive towards it
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I've just searched through the various Mount and Blade reddits where they're discussing Bannerlord and they all seem at least 10x as positive as this forum. I've had conversations with people in-game who also all seem to love Bannerlord. I'm starting to get the feeling that it is literally just this forum which is an echo chamber of people who dislike the game egging each other on, and outside of here people are actually very positive towards it
no gibby wait I got told in public skirmish that the game is great, you are deffo wrong.Check the steam stats. Load the game up and see how many people are on the server list, then compare that to Warband. Either of these things will immediately show you that the majority of people do not like Bannerlord. This forum is constant complaints because there really hasn’t been anything positive to say about the progress of the multiplayer since... well, at all. There wasn’t anything positive to say during the alpha except when they made it so right click overrode left click, which made blocking possible in combat. Yea, before competitive players got invited to the alpha the blocking didn’t work in the game and it took them weeks after being informed to fix it. Maybe that gives you an idea of the low level of attention afforded to the MP by TW, or maybe you think they did great despite a player count that crashed through the floor in 2 weeks and long wait times for basic fixes.
The MP devs themselves are only partly responsible for this, and they are partly because during the beta period I remember arguing, along with others, with MP devs who were defending things like the universal implementation of a class system and block delay, but the primary target of any disappointment should be the higher up decision makers. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve just written the MP off as a failure. I mean, they get no more than 300-500 concurrent players in MP at any one time, 500 is a very generous upper limit too, and half of that number actively dislikes the game but continues to abuse themselves by playing it anyway.
Obviously among the small number of people still playing Bannerlord now you’re more likely to encounter people that like it in game, because the people that didn’t like it have mostly stopped playing. That’s sort of how it works with any game, so not sure why encountering people with positive views of the game in game would lead you to think this forum is an echo chamber.
It’s disappointing because everyone wanted Bannerlord to be good and if it was just Warband 2.0, with custom servers, servers that didn’t crash after a game ends, warband gear selection or far better customisation options for classes, combat and balance fixes which the community has been asking for for almost 2 years, then it would have a much larger playerbase right now than it does. Warband still gets up to 1000 concurrent people in its MP at prime time in the evening, while Bannerlord can’t get half that. If you seriously think those facts can lead you to the conclusion that this is an echo chamber and that outside of the forums it’s all roses and daisies and everyone loves Bannerlord, then you’re deluded.