Why do we commit Crimes?

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Lack of self control.

This is a lot of it, what I'd probably say is the primary motivator in most cases, with crimes of necessity being a main exception. Some people are better at it than others, and socio-economic status, education, culture and all the other factors listed influence it heavily.

 

[Duh]

Environment as well if you agree with the broken window theory.

 

[RalliX]

I.e. do you have any specific arguments to support the assumption that government policy and school in its current state are detrimental to family?

That is a fair question.
I cannot provide an argument that proves government policies are currently detrimental to family. It is a suggestion which I make based on correlations of various factors at the moment. I am saying that this is a hypothesis.

For example, three notable factors which are higher among the population of young black males, are large proportions of single-parenthood, incarceration, welfare reliance, and crime rates. Whether and how those are interrelated are up for discussion.
Also, this thread is indeed about the crimes of the middle and lower classes. Bank fraud and other crimes whose goal is the gain of money, done by the rich would clearly only be done for the cause of greed.
How or why they're so damn greedy, I'll never know. Nor is the purpose of this thread to address that.

 

[Lord Brutus]

Forgive me, please.  I removed stupidboy's post before Lambie offered him up as a sacrifice.

 

[Ruthven]

Maybe the police are racist.

Or at least biased. My friends and I sometimes walk around in public with illegal things in our possession, and we can walk past cops, wave and smile, nothing happens. But if I were Native, cops two blocks away would drive over to me, ask what I'm doing, and if they thought I was acting strangely (because of drugs etc) they would find enough reason to search me and I would get a petty crime charge for whatever paraphernalia I was carrying. My ability to drink and do drugs in public or be drunk/high in public is strongly aided because I'm white. Cops are suspicious of Natives in my area because Natives are more often caught committing crimes because cops are suspicious of Natives. I assume it's the same for black/hispanic people in the States.

EDIT: To an extent at least; violent crime is usually higher for Natives, but that's for different reasons.

 

[Austupaio]

Just out of curiosity, who are these natives?

So only stupid people commit crimes?  Gosh, I'll have to tell Bernie that one.

You may have missed the part where I said I draw a distinction between petty criminals and illegal businessmen. There are also mentally unstable people, of course, but that's why the post was made with humorous intent. Like every quite edit, ever.

 

[Tibertus]

I think most crimes are committed by people who think they can get away with it. When reward outweighs risk, that's when crime jumps. That's why so many bicycles are stolen, because who is seriously going to stop someone stealing a bicycle?

http://www.jest.com/embed/157448/the-great-nyc-bike-theft-experiment-of-2012

 

[Ruthven]

Just out of curiosity, who are these natives?

So only stupid people commit crimes?  Gosh, I'll have to tell Bernie that one.

You may have missed the part where I said I draw a distinction between petty criminals and illegal businessmen. There are also mentally unstable people, of course, but that's why the post was made with humorous intent. Like every quite edit, ever.

First Nations people in Canada. I do believe situations are similar for indigenous people in quite a few places though. (Australia, for example.)

Of course, if you consider "crime" as a blanket term, most crime is probably committed by 12-30 year old middle class people pirating music/movies.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

We know the obvious: That certain groups of people are more likely to commit crimes than others.
Specifically, peoples in/from poor households, and marginalized races tend to commit more crimes than those who are not poor or marginalized.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment that there are more poor black criminals than rich white ones.

Congratulations, I'd guessed twenty four hours, but you got there in three seconds!

[me=Pharaoh Llandy]claps.[/me]

 

[Úlfheðinn]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment that there are more poor black criminals than rich white ones.

I kind of like it, it is like saying "Starving people are more likely to steal bread than those who have plenty of food."

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment that there are more poor black criminals than rich white ones.

I kind of like it, it is like saying "Starving people are more likely to steal bread than those who have plenty of food."

If it was just bread theft I could understand it, everybody's gotta eat, but usually it's commodities which are stolen (phones, laptops, TVs, etc) and you can't eat those.

Also, the logic of Rallix's post is technically none existent. If a town has 15,000 well-to-do white people in it, and 1,000 poor immigrants, and then 20 white people commit crimes and 20 immigrants commit crimes, of course it looks like 'more' immigrants are criminals simply because the numbers are skewed.

 

[Jhessail]

as it stands) seems to vary, with the results being mostly negative. I'm not saying that schools or governments can't be positive influences, but I am saying that they often aren't, as anyone can see by looking at the situation.

I am not saying the government is the cause of the problem, but it is a factor. Perhaps if the government successfully promoted a strong and healthy family, it would have a much more favorable effect.

Oh oh oh, right, like the British Crown & Government did in the 16th, 17th and 18th century? When Britain was ravaged by riots every other Sunday? When vagabonds were thrown into stocks and the poor were shut into slave-camps known as Poor Houses? When women didn't have legal standing, being property of their fathers, brothers or husbands? Sure were good times and the emphasis on strong family certainly was the culprit.

I love you Rallix, you're SO funny!

We know the obvious: That certain groups of people are more likely to commit crimes than others.
Specifically, peoples in/from poor households, and marginalized races tend to commit more crimes than those who are not poor or marginalized.

Oh right, that's why white collar crime is only a minor little thing that doesn't affect society at all. And why teenagers from "good homes" hardly ever commit crimes. 

 

[Argeus the Paladin]

I would be a devil's advocate and assume he meant violent crime. As in, robbery, rape, assault, that sort of things.

Which brings to my reasoning: "Crime" itself is too nebulous a term to be adequately defined by a question like the topic suggested. We have white collar crime, violent crime, borderline cases, unintentional breach of law... that are about as different from one another as a cat is different from a dinosaur. Simply put, we cannot find a blanket reason or even a system of reasons that can correctly describe all cases.

fakk u ninja austupaio.

 

[Austupaio]

I'm not really participating but I'd say that some clarification as to what 'crime' is if any of you are going to continue it into a debate.

Law is extremely relative.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Oh right, that's why white collar crime is only a minor little thing that doesn't affect society at all. And why teenagers from "good homes" hardly ever commit crimes. 

Well obviously, white collar crime is barely worth mentioning it all. It's only responsible for bank collapses as fatcat managers line their pockets with your hard-earned money, economic depression on a global scale and people losing their homes due to irresponsible lending. That's nowhere near as terrible as somebody nicking your iPad or your bread don'tchaknow.

 

[Adorno]

Nice one Llandy 

 

[RalliX]

Oh right, that's why white collar crime is only a minor little thing that doesn't affect society at all. And why teenagers from "good homes" hardly ever commit crimes. 

Well obviously, white collar crime is barely worth mentioning it all. It's only responsible for bank collapses as fatcat managers line their pockets with your hard-earned money, economic depression on a global scale and people losing their homes due to irresponsible lending. That's nowhere near as terrible as somebody nicking your iPad or your bread don'tchaknow.

Ah. Well. There's minor, common crimes such as larceny, robbery, etc. And then there's the stuff that big-wigs do.
It's as if some people think that I'm okay with the crimes of certain groups of people as opposed to others.

But as I said, this thread is not about what I think of high-profile criminals such as banksters and men rich off the back of the poor. I think such men deserve a slow death as soon as possible.

Perhaps we ought to have a thread about that then, if it's what you want to talk about.

隐藏: Edit: Such men as those, do not **** around.

I wonder if what I posted in that image is real.

 

[Mad Vader]

That doesn't look like an article, but something activist hackers would do.

 

[lordJehovah]

隐藏: Edit: Such men as those, do not **** around.

Damn...

 

[RalliX]

That doesn't look like an article, but something activist hackers would do.

It's two articles pasted together to make sense. If you mean that you think one of them is fake, well okay.