Why archers (and all ranged weapons) should be removed from M&B.

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The game has a good combat system, where skill matters a lot.
The thing is, when you have fun swordfighting, and mastering your skills, that is often stopped by an arrow to the ass.
Melee combat in M&B is good, it takes skill, it's fun, that's what you should focus on!!!
Ranged combat in M&B is bad, and boring, and literally any noob with 0 skill can just take a bow and kill an infantry player who spent thousands of hours playing this game.

People who want to use ranged weapons can, and even should go play CS:GO, or any other FPS. It's just objectively better for shooting.
However there is a reason, why they don't do it. In first person shooters every person has ranged weapon, and can protect themselves, so killing anybody is challenging and risky. But these people don't want challenge, they don't want risk. They just want to steal other player's kills, they just want to ruin other people's fun. They are cowards and noobs, who want to be away from fighting, be safe, and at the same time harass good players, by using weapon which they can't protect from, and which takes little skill to use effectively. They just want to win no matter what.
Ofc some archer fanboy who can't even block will say, that you can use shield. But that's stupid to need to use shield, and not be able to use 2h just because of these people, and it still doesn't stop them from killing you. Since archers can shoot from very far away, there often can be many archers having different angles on you, and you can't block all the arrows (unless you are spinning at light speed I guess?).
Also when you get close to them, they will just run away, and if you get engaged by someone else, only then will they stop, and shoot at your back. You can't win.

A story of mine: When I played one mulitplayer mod in Warband I noticed there is a lot of skilled players in this mod, and very often I had trouble with even landing a single hit on them, so I asked if there is any tip, that would allow me to kill them easier, other than simply being more skilled. The answer I got was to play archer :smile:
And I do play as archer if I want to piss off someone who I know is better than me :smile:

Even ancient Greeks despised archers, Paris is portrayed in Iliad as a coward. Imagine being Achilles, an elite fighter, a brave hero, who spent his whole life training, and in result can kill probably anybody, but then some scared boy shoots poisoned arrow at you from a safe distance, AND from behind you. Bruh.

Lack of bows would be unrealistic, but since M&B is a game it not only can be unrealistic, but even should be unrealistic if lack of realism is more fun.
And having melee fights, where kills depend on skill is WAY more fun than doing good in a fight just to suddenly get killed by a noob which you couldn't even see, and couldn't protect from.
 
Nerf ranged and no problem.
P.S.: Nord with battania archer - big problem for any settlement.

If downgrade damage bow, crossbow, javelin, to normal damage pierce weapon, and change bonus headshot (=melee headshot), we can (at last!) taste balance in Bannerlrd's combat... But TW this not interested :smile:
 
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Dont nerf anything, everyone just gotta get better at the game and become a Cav Player
 
I need good archers when I besiege a castle because good archers shoot enemy archers so I can kill enemy infantry in peace. I dont want my good archers to be handicapped with inferior bows or arrows
 
So you want to ban archers because they do what they are supposed to do? Shoot from a distance, how dare they:grin:
I play infantry 90% of times I am online (mostly skirmish games), but in TDM server I also like to play archer to get better in that. For me, TDM is practice, as an archer it is target practice :grin:
When the game will be out, it is possible that some private servers will limit / ban ranged combat, until then just take a shield
 
If you can't dodge arrows, it just sounds like you have a severe case of skill issue
 
Even ancient Greeks despised archers, Paris is portrayed in Iliad as a coward. Imagine being Achilles, an elite fighter, a brave hero, who spent his whole life training, and in result can kill probably anybody, but then some scared boy shoots poisoned arrow at you from a safe distance, AND from behind you. Bruh.
Ah yes that is why the most depicted archer in art history is a Greek and they even had a god of archery. Oh and don't forget Odysseus.
So that statement is just as trashy as the rest of this thread.
 
Ah yes that is why the most depicted archer in art history is a Greek and they even had a god of archery. Oh and don't forget Odysseus.
So that statement is just as trashy as the rest of this thread.
as trashy as u
 
Archery is fine IMO, as balanced as it has been in Bannerlord's time.

It is pretty frustrating on TDM killing an archer and then having him spawn behind you and get a free shot on you anyways. But that's an issue with the trash spawn system.
 
Nerf ranged and no problem.
P.S.: Nord with battania archer - big problem for any settlement.

If downgrade damage bow, crossbow, javelin, to normal damage pierce weapon, and change bonus headshot (=melee headshot), we can (at last!) taste balance in Bannerlrd's combat... But TW this not interested :smile:
That wouldn't really change much, all of what I said in my post would still be valid, and getting shot and stunned, which causes another inf player to kill you is just as bad, as getting shot and killed by the arrow.

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Yeah sure. I am 100% convinced you are inf main.

I need good archers when I besiege a castle because good archers shoot enemy archers so I can kill enemy infantry in peace. I dont want my good archers to be handicapped with inferior bows or arrows
Are you serious or is that a very stupid joke, because I am not even sure.
Your archers deal with enemy archers - yeah, you are somewhat safe, but still enemy archers will occasionally shoot you.
There is no archers at all - your archers can't deal with enemy archers but obviously there is no enemy archers and the game is based and fun.

So you want to ban archers because they do what they are supposed to do? Shoot from a distance, how dare they:grin:
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I want to remove ranged weapons from the multiplayer. I never said anything about banning anyone. I want only that noone is supposed to ruin other's fun by using gae weapons.
I play infantry 90% of times I am online
Yeah, I am sure you do...
When the game will be out, it is possible that some private servers will limit / ban ranged combat, until then just take a shield
Maybe there will be, maybe there will be not, and servers for ranged cowards will steal players from them, so all servers should be melee only.
until then just take a shield
"Ofc some archer fanboy who can't even block will say, that you can use shield. But that's stupid to need to use shield, and not be able to use 2h just because of these people, and it still doesn't stop them from killing you. Since archers can shoot from very far away, there often can be many archers having different angles on you, and you can't block all the arrows (unless you are spinning at light speed I guess?).
Also when you get close to them, they will just run away, and if you get engaged by someone else, only then will they stop, and shoot at your back. You can't win."

If you can't dodge arrows, it just sounds like you have a severe case of skill issue
Ok mr pro, fight someone else in melee, and dodge arrows of 3 archers at the same time if you are so good.
As I explained above, there is many problems with ranged weapons. 1v1 against an archer isn't really that hard, the problem is that it often isn't 1v1. Plus I am pretty sure noone or almost noone can dodge arrows. What you do is quickly and suddenly turning left and right, and hope that archer gets fooled by it. If he predicts your movement anyway, or just gets a lucky shot, there is nothing you can do.

Ah yes that is why the most depicted archer in art history is a Greek
1. Who?
2. It doesn't matter.
and they even had a god of archery
Yeah, bow was one of the most popular hunting tools, nothing weird about it. Also it was mostly relic of the past.
But a real warrior wouldn't even touch a bow with intent of fighting.
Still IRL using bow as a weapon is justified, because your life may depend on it. But in M&B it's just ruining other people's fun, and if you really are enjoying this playstyle that's just cringe af.
Oh and don't forget Odysseus.
So that statement is just as trashy as the rest of this thread.
If someone's a hero he can be excused for some bad deeds, or even using a bow.
But it still doesn't change the fact, that for them melee fighting was more glorious, and brave (obviously) than cowardly launching metal tipped sticks from far away.

Archery is fine IMO, as balanced as it has been in Bannerlord's time.
"Lack of bows would be unrealistic, but since M&B is a game it not only can be unrealistic, but even should be unrealistic if lack of realism is more fun.
And having melee fights, where kills depend on skill is WAY more fun than doing good in a fight just to suddenly get killed by a noob which you couldn't even see, and couldn't protect from."

People say this a lot but unfortunately melee only gameplay is crap except in duels.
Yeah, exactly. I can't enjoy the game, if 0 skill noobs don't kill me with OP weapon I can't protect from, stopping me from gloriously killing enemies in melee. /s
Don't troll.
 
Are you serious or is that a very stupid joke, because I am not even sure.
Your archers deal with enemy archers - yeah, you are somewhat safe, but still enemy archers will occasionally shoot you.
There is no archers at all - your archers can't deal with enemy archers but obviously there is no enemy archers and the game is based and fun.
I could ask you the same question, is this thread actually serious? Removing range entirely from M&B? Gotta be a joke. I provided you with my reason why I dont want range to be removed because I like siege. Siege with no range? Nuts
 
@TheHunterMikiPL Can't use 2H? Oh, how terrible there are counters for every kind of unit. If it weren't for the archers, it would have been a deluge of 2H. That's what's cool that the infantry is supported by archers. Are you crying that you can't manage a few archers in Duel? Seriously? Then the **** are you going alone? If there were only cavalry infantry (you don't like cavalry either ???) it would be boring.
 
Ok mr pro, fight someone else in melee, and dodge arrows of 3 archers at the same time if you are so good.
As I explained above, there is many problems with ranged weapons. 1v1 against an archer isn't really that hard, the problem is that it often isn't 1v1. Plus I am pretty sure noone or almost noone can dodge arrows. What you do is quickly and suddenly turning left and right, and hope that archer gets fooled by it. If he predicts your movement anyway, or just gets a lucky shot, there is nothing you can do.
Tell me how you (infantry) fighting another guy (infantry) with 3 archers in support would have won if it were only you vs 4 infantry? You went alone without your team, and you got killed, so again I say.

SKILL ISSUE DIAGNOSE
 
I know i've complained about archers in the past, but I wouldn't think the COMPLETE removal of them is warranted. Personally, I think there should be systems in place to discourage the stacking of archers or if that's impossible to actually accomplish, have class limits so that players who DO pick them need to actually be good at shooting rather than hope that "accuracy in volume" can solve all their problems.
 
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