Who are the Vaegirs? Who are the Swadians?

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sheek

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How do you picture the different sides you see in M&B?

Personally I see the Swadians as roughly the medieval French. They are well organized and governed (unified), they have a strong king and nobility, they are Christians and quite religious.

The Vaegirs are more difficult to tell. I see them as more Eastern European. Maybe like the Germanic kingdoms. Their ruler is less supreme, there is a lot more conflict, more violence and more factions. They are also poorer (less good quality weapons, troops). They aren't as religious, perhaps they are Pagans and believe in a lot of different gods.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: vaegirs are just like rebels in star wars.swadian knights kill hundreds of vaegir peasant so vaegirs wage war against swadians.if you read index you will understand
 
In my mind I imagine them to have a relationship similar to the french and english during the hundred year's war: pretty similar societies who happens to be at war for some political/economical reason. I imagine them speaking the same language (different dialects, probably), practicing the same religion, having the same feudal structure, a history of much economic and cultural exchange... They're just different enough nations that their leaders can justify their bilateral wars of conquest by referring to the other side as "foreign invaders".
 
sheek said:
The Vaegirs are more difficult to tell. I see them as more Eastern European. Maybe like the Germanic kingdoms. Their ruler is less supreme, there is a lot more conflict, more violence and more factions. They are also poorer (less good quality weapons, troops). They aren't as religious, perhaps they are Pagans and believe in a lot of different gods.

Hmm, national prejudice at it's best :smile: You know, in the mediaval era, eastern nations were often wealthier than western, weren't pagans at all (if you don't call orthodox pagan) and generally weren't more violent than what was considered 'normal' back in that times.
 
I see it as a wee bit more of the scots vs english. Though that might be b/c I have read 3 of Kathryn Kerr's Devery novels this month. :twisted:
 
I picture them as English vs French simply because of the Swadians having crossbowmen and Vaegirs using long-bows. If only I could remember the battle where the English showed the advantage of quick reloading :roll:
 
Personally, I see it more along the lines of "The Lion War". Two factions going for the same throne of the land, except there are already two kings by self-decleration. One (Swadian) influenced the more economically minded west (assuming Zendar is in the north), and the other (Vaegir) was more influential in the religious aspect, and the towns follow as they believe. This leads me to imagine there are less extravagant churches in the Swadian area, but more merchants, and vice versa for the Vaegirs.
 
Swadia = welathy, and very "civilised" and organized eg france, while the vaegir's are more warlike and less organized and not as wealthy.

Swadia: is a bit like france
Vaegir: a bit like northern england with scotish influece.
 
Let's not get all nationalist here. Stupid racist, dirty, smelly, cannibalistic Vaegirs. Can't you read the sign? Keep of the grass!
 
Vaegir are the Rohan.

Swadians are Gondor.

We're fighting each other for no apparent reason.

We should join up against the forces of evil. AKA The dark knights, hunters and the Black Khergit. >: (.
 
What evidence are you drawing any of your conclusions of good or bad from anyways? Do you have access to the future backplot of the game? Even if you did, good and bad are viewpoints not absolutes. I'm not going to seriously say Vaegirs are evil and Swadians are good or vice versa. I hope Armagan won't do that either, because then it would devolve into one of those good guy once through, bad guy the other time through type games.
 
sheek said:
How do you picture the different sides you see in M&B?

It's how I picture it since my main character is Vaegir.

That's all.

No evidence, no nuthin'. Everything's cool :cool:
 
Fluffy The Hamster said:
Vaegir are the Rohan.
Swadians are Gondor.
We're fighting each other for no apparent reason.

My first thought was: this place reminds me of Poland.
My second thought was "Vaegir Horsemen just look like Rohirrim Cavalry".

:smile:

I have a slight preference for Swadians because I got trounced by deserters, and I soon tried to assemble my own group of Swadians crossbowmen, but I don't really love/hate either faction.

I can't understand their war, nobody tried explaining me their reasons.
As long as they let me peddle my wares on both side of the border, I'm fine with either.

Oddly enough, they won't squabble among themselves when I hire a mixed bunch of mercs.
Money can solve any strife, apparently.

:grin:
 
Funny how many viewpoints there are on this one.

I can't help but think of the Swadians as some Germanic kingdom, simply because they're one letter off from being Swabian. And, due to their fondness for mounted archers and a generally Eastern appearance, I tend to think of the Vaegirs as Turks. If someone told me they're supposed to be Russian, I'd not find it too great a stretch however.

Incidentally, I also perceive the Steppe Bandits and Khergit Raiders as different Mongol polities. Would that I could side with the latter; THAT would be a blast :twisted:
 
And Sea Raiders are vikings.

You wanna talk blasts? Because being a Sea Raider would be a blast, blast, blast-blast, 68 damage dealt to mount, blast, *thunk*, blast, blast, 78 damage, Lord Unthar the Destroyer knocked unconscious by sea raider :evil:
 
Swadians could be Swabians as previously mentioned. Vaegirs as Varangians which were a form of Inland River traveling viking. They eventually ended up in the service of the Byzantine Empire, which would put them into proximity with the Turks. Varangians also if I am not mistaken were a faction of Norse who had settled in Russia.

My money is on...

Swabians and Varangians
 
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