Hm, i got Attila really for the mods now, so Vanilla is not a must be? I didn't try.
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Which Series of Old Games Have You Replayed During Bannerlord EA?
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TengriBless
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Main reason why I bought the game, incredible unit variety and addictive governance mechanics. I use an add-on mod that doubles unit sizes which makes the look and play of battles simply fantastic.... so now i tried that Attila mod (1212), Attila quite new for me, but that mod must be
There's no working around poor optimization and strategically challenged AI but the base game has plenty merit on its own, even if it may commit too much on the Imperial Roman experience just a tad too much for its own good. However that aspect also provides an unmatched grand-strat experience so you could say it's both its greatest weakness and strength. I play with Radious mods when I want the vanilla experience because it just is vanilla but better, but a lot of the changes 1212MK makes is simply to make the game work in its setting, which makes sense given you can't imagine things like province contestation being compatible with it.
Base game Attila is not complete rubbish in the way Bannerlord would be described.
What's the limit on old? >5 years since the release? Released before BL EA?
OpenTTD, CoH Blitzkrieg, Mass Effect 1, trying to slog through ME2 solely to carry the save into ME3, Elite: Dangerous is kinda old by now, a stint in Grim Dawn, and some on-off Dota 2. Does Stellaris count? It's 6 years old now.
OpenTTD, CoH Blitzkrieg, Mass Effect 1, trying to slog through ME2 solely to carry the save into ME3, Elite: Dangerous is kinda old by now, a stint in Grim Dawn, and some on-off Dota 2. Does Stellaris count? It's 6 years old now.
I would have agreed - except it doesnt have an Endgame. Meaning there are no Objectives built in yet (afaik) -having conquered most of western europe as England, i could no longer keep all my Lords in line as i was buckling under my own expansionism -its then i realized "what do i have to do to win here?" and noticed there simply are no objectives except to paint the map. I brought it up on their Steam forums and a mod dev said "yeah -we'll get to that one day.."
If you play it as a minmaxer like me, or pay too close attention to any of the mechanics or graphics, or play on a hard difficulty, you come across a truly blinding amount of bugs. By far the worst ones are:
1. Due to a bug, cavalry of all weight classes does almost infinite damage on the charge and takes none, making infantry basically useless.
2. The AI can siege you for one turn with one unit and damage your buildings without you being able to respond, because of how the turns work. This makes frontier settlements a liability because the AI can just annoy you with feint sieges that you cant recover from.
3. The building system is terrible, easily the worst in the series, and generally there is only one viable settlement build for each faction.
4. Every single unit in the game has the wrong stats, or a typo somewhere that gives it broken abilities. This is barely an exaggeration, and it's why Attila multiplayer is practically nonexistent, while people still organise Rome 2 tournaments.
5. Agents are ridiculous, they can wipe out entire armies for free. The AI spams them like crazy, and they can even block bridges.
6. Almost all the factions and battles are basically the same. As the Western Roman Empire you will be fighting cookie-cutter Germanic enemies for the entire campaign, with the same germanic spear spam, in the same defensive sieges with the same settlement maps. It gets boring extremely fast.
It's about on par with Bannerlord. I would go as far as to say that I can enjoy Bannerlord for longer than Attila. Bannerlord is mostly just broken, while Attila seems handcrafted to piss me off.
Fully disagree. Makes the world always exciting. As in RL, enemies dont scale to you, if you know there are more advanced enemy nearby, take precaution. Like if you need to thru the Jatu lands - travel light and watch where you go, make sure you have an escape route in case they lock in on you as they can outrun most people. This to me is thrilling gameplay -the opposite of that is bannerlord -where your only real danger is 3-5 bandits and ill literally travel around for days on end just to find them -talk about boring! Id rather it be hard and exciting then easy and slow (thats what she said...?). Having to add mods just to make a fighting game spawn enough enemies to make it not tiresome aint the best game design. I guess considering what you prefer -they do have an intended market
Whole EA the list will be too long for a forum xD. Ill share a short list of the story games
GTA5
Kingdom Come Deliverance
Gothic 1-3 + mods
ELEX
Hitman 1 - 2
Mafia 2
Mass Effect 1-3
LA Noire could get another run, really good game. Did try do make Risen run, but didnt work
GTA5
Kingdom Come Deliverance
Gothic 1-3 + mods
ELEX
Hitman 1 - 2
Mafia 2
Mass Effect 1-3
LA Noire could get another run, really good game. Did try do make Risen run, but didnt work
TengriBless
Banned
Either I haven't noticed this or didn't realise it was a bug. Any other inf unit than spears/polearms or swords in shield formation gets rekt by the lightest cavalry but that's still less egregious than it was in Medieval TW's.
It's annoying that it happens but I haven't encountered this all that often, and when it does you can simply pursue the enemy army anyway. I've always seen that barbarian frontier frustrations as part of the experience though. WRE playthrough just is pain and suffering, that's a fact of life.
Also the damage done to buildings increases with the number of turns the town has been besieged for, the damage done in a single turn is annoying but it's not devastating.
Again it's that commitment to reflecting roman style of governorship (whole of illyria instead of just one settlement). Not that I'm a big fan but how is it terrible though? Being a minmaxer "viable" probably means most efficient to you, but if so then 1212MK has the same issue, regional incomes can just be maximised with a single default build with maybe the exception of region-specific resources like wine. I feel like I've had more variety with buildings in base game / Radious than I have in MK1212 because of the "1 large town 2 bread basket settlements" layout.
I was so used to mods I never even tried getting into stats and unit descriptions. Tier, exp and abilities (formation) is all you need to go on tbh.
I don't remember much about agents at all, I don't even recall using them in vanilla.
The spear spam was mostly on my end lol. I don't know, for the most part I enjoyed sièges and looked forward to them. They make for intense moments even if you know you're eventually going to pull off that exact same flank for the umpteenth time. I love the emphasis on timing and the grinding of my teeth waiting for that encircled general to die before his reinforcements can crush my army, and watching the action close-up with the hud off. It may be repetitive now that I think about it but it's damn fun. I think the stakes help a lot with that, losing a settlement can set you back quite a bit and you may lose an important choke point, or be cut off from the Spanish provinces, or lose your last port in Britain or something. I'm engaged in the game to the point every battle and siege and treaty means something, but I understand it's not something I share with many.
But I ****in don't. Especially coming from Native. How on earth was I supposed to guess that the reported "local bandits harassing some merchants" were a death cult worthy of the most top tier units and my weapon doesn't even as much as make a dent in their black plate armour, AND they have the athletics to keep up with me in robes so I can't even get a safe distance from them when kicking's not an option. I tried anything I could but just ****ing ctrl-h'd my way through in the end because it was becoming more frustrating than getting outplayed in a competitive shooter. In my opinion that's bad design, to make quests (which are in essence early-mid game) impractically hard, without warning. A lot of quests are practically locked to you because you haven't invested hard into a combat build and get shagged by any "bandit" faction you come across, even guildmasters' quests.
I agree with this example, even though I learnt of the Jatu the hard way after mindlessly strolling into the suspiciously empty bit of the map. But this isn't what I mean when I talk about exaggerated difficulty hindering progress.
What do I prefer? Not straying too far into fantasy? Not finding a top tier enemy who's armed two centuries ahead of everyone in my army under every rock? The difficulty in Pendor and especially Perisno is for its own sake and that's just not tasteful to me.
SaxonDragon said this day 1 of the 1st release of PoP "This is a MUCH harder experience than M&B Native". Maybe you just chose not to see or thought it should be fashioned to your sense of "hard". I found it utterly refreshing and didnt have much of a problem in many of my playthrus and i never use cheats. Sure it was harder -but it had enough ways to also better yourself to make it far more rewarding than the vanilla grind. To each their own -no need to get all hot and bothered -you dont like it? cool. Plenty do tho as it may be the most or 2nd most subscribed Overhaul mod for M&B.
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Bluko88
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Do remasters count LOL?
Command & Conquer: Remastered (basically perfect remaster; though be kind of nice if pathfinding got upgraded)
Rome: Total War (pretty good; campaign map UI isn't great, miss the old intros/cinematics, but core game is better IMO)
Mass Effect Legendary Edition (great remaster of ME1 - got through ME2 and stopped halfway through ME3 cause the writing/story is atrocious)
I guess these counts as "old" now:
Total War: Shogun 2 (probably CA's magnus opus, not that I play it too much anymore since sieges are very repetitive)
M&B: Warband (just a a few dozen hours - I never got around to it prior to Bannerlord)
Mostly been sticking to newer stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring.
Command & Conquer: Remastered (basically perfect remaster; though be kind of nice if pathfinding got upgraded)
Rome: Total War (pretty good; campaign map UI isn't great, miss the old intros/cinematics, but core game is better IMO)
Mass Effect Legendary Edition (great remaster of ME1 - got through ME2 and stopped halfway through ME3 cause the writing/story is atrocious)
I guess these counts as "old" now:
Total War: Shogun 2 (probably CA's magnus opus, not that I play it too much anymore since sieges are very repetitive)
M&B: Warband (just a a few dozen hours - I never got around to it prior to Bannerlord)
Mostly been sticking to newer stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring.
