Which leveling system do you prefer Warband or Bannerlord?

[sherdil]

Bannerlord once it is completely operational.

 

[durbal]

There isn't a hard cap. Past the learning limit your XP multiplier just drops but it doesn't stop you from getting XP. I wish people would realize this.

It doesn't help that the game calls it a 'learning limit' though.

 

[Ted Striker]

There isn't a hard cap. Past the learning limit your XP multiplier just drops but it doesn't stop you from getting XP. I wish people would realize this.

It doesn't help that the game calls it a 'learning limit' though.

Apparently though from what I’m hearing your character will die and you have to start with a new one, which is its own annoyance. The worst one actually

 

[metafa]

BL every day of the week

 

[Pejot]

Apparently though from what I’m hearing your character will die and you have to start with a new one, which is its own annoyance. The worst one actually

The new one (if it's your kid) will get some of your skills as starter pack since he learned from you. So it is possible to continue with this system.

 

[Ted Striker]

The new one (if it's your kid) will get some of your skills as starter pack since he learned from you. So it is possible to continue with this system.

Ok not terrible. I havent reached that point yet.

I’d still prefer no death and children grow up to be either companions, vassals, lords or possibly foes. But your main character never dies, and you can keep leveling your skills.

That’s a subject for a different thread though.

 

[Frost_]

There isn't a hard cap. Past the learning limit your XP multiplier just drops but it doesn't stop you from getting XP. I wish people would realize this.

It doesn't help that the game calls it a 'learning limit' though.

So.. that changes things a bit. But as I can see from my companions - getting XP still should stop at some point after exceedind Learning limit.
This is my 2h skill with learning limit 50 (now it lvld to 51) and still getting xp. But multiplier dropped by 1.


And this is my companion riding skill with learning limit 70. Skill is 100 right now and she did not get any XP in it, but was on horse a lot. Also this skill marked in red color on character screen.


So it still seems capped. But cap number is not exact learning limit. Is it % from learning limit or absolute number - i donno yet.

 

[Mppqlmd]

Ok not terrible. I havent reached that point yet.

I’d still prefer no death and children grow up to be either companions, vassals, lords or possibly foes. But your main character never dies, and you can keep leveling your skills.

That’s a subject for a different thread though.

That's why you have to select "death enabled" in the campaign creation. You're not forced to play with a mortal character.

 

[Ted Striker]

That's why you have to select "death enabled" in the campaign creation. You're not forced to play with a mortal character.

Ahh that’s what that is for? Thought it meant companions and other lords could die. I’m playing with it off because I don’t like the idea of permadeath.

EDIT: ahh crap

“It's worth noting that dying of old age seems to happen regardless of whether you've enabled death or not”

So there goes that. It’s the whole dying of old age thing I want to eliminate

 

[Wotringe]

I prefer the bannerlord skill tree BUT only it is slightly faster.

 

[Zascha]

I liked Warband's approach. I've always enjoyed Skill Point allocation during Level Up rather than something like what Bannerlord provides. It actually feels like a Level Up when you allocate your points. I had enough of that "improve skill by using" style while playing SWG. I wasn't a fan then, and I'm not a fan today. It basically forces grinding on monotonous activity, and the rate of increase is always incredibly slow.

However, having said that, we do get the Focus Points to allocate. I haven't played much, so I don't know how much this changes things. But, I'll let it simmer for a little while. It's better than nothing, I suppose.

 

[Ted Striker]

I liked Warband's approach. I've always enjoyed Skill Point allocation during Level Up rather than something like what Bannerlord provides. It actually feels like a Level Up when you allocate your points. I had enough of that "improve skill by using" style while playing SWG. I wasn't a fan then, and I'm not a fan today. It basically forces grinding on monotonous activity, and the rate of increase is always incredibly slow.

However, having said that, we do get the Focus Points to allocate. I haven't played much, so I don't know how much this changes things. But, I'll let it simmer for a little while. It's better than nothing, I suppose.

Not much is really monotonous in this game though. Smithing is a chore, but this system prevents weird things like getting better at bows by using a sword, or running around on foot in every battle and getting better at riding horses from it.

 

[Tiberius_Invictus]

and the differences between high and low values in combat skills are so dramatic that it's more sad than funny wondering how it got through internal testing.

What?!?! Totally the opposite! A few % increase in damage or speed for dozens of levels is not nearly dramatic enough.

 

[Solla]

"IT TOOK TEN YEARS TO MAKE!"


Yeah, the XP system is broken, as rather than facilitating dynamic character building (something which XP-by-skilluse systems usually do well; see, for example, The Elder Scrolls), Bannerlords' hybrid system results in absurdly slow growth and incredibly restrictive hardcaps. Your companions won't level up, either, which means that unlike in Warband/WF&S, there's no way to cover the gaps in your party's skill selection.

Hopefully the current system gets tweaked / overhauled/ scrapped entirely; until then, the best workaround I've found is to head over to The Nexus and use the mods "BannerlordTweaks" (for XP gain, amongst other things) and "CharacterTrainer Export Import" (lets you add as many attribute and focus points as you require).

 

[Ted Striker]

Sometimes I wish games used leveling systems like in Kenshi, as it's incredibly fun and rewarding to start weak in that game and become better, due to every action that you take helping you... even if you fail. The way you get tougher in Kenshi is to get knocked out often but keep coming back for more, increasing your Toughness stat.

I wouldn't mind if attribute points were removed from level ups and were simply received for succeedding AND failing to perform certain actions. Like an XP bar that isn't tied to levels but keeps filling until you are given a free attribute point (or a corresponding attribute increase by itself based on what you are doing). That way, leveling up only carries the bonus of getting focus points, which I think is reward enough, and you'll never be hard-capped.

Kenshi is a genius system but it does have its flaws, like incredible grind (carrying corpses everywhere for instance, or backpacks full of rocks and running back and forth).

An XP rate increase across the board is a good first step in fixing this leveling system.

 

[Solla]

Kendrick is a genius system but it does have its flaws, like incredible grind (carrying corpses everywhere for instance, or backpacks full of rocks and running back and forth).

An XP rate increase across the board is a good first step in fixing this leveling system.

Oh God, I miss Kenshi so much! I'm tempted to go back and play it again now.

I didn't really mind the grind. It was neat waking up every morning and sending my combat team out on their daily training run, all loaded up with cannibal corpses and deactivated robot gears. A bit more automation would have been nice, as the micro got to be too much after your first fifteen characters or so, but at least Kenshi's levelling gave you real results and a constant sense of accomplishment.

 

[Orion]

What?!?! Totally the opposite! A few % increase in damage or speed for dozens of levels is not nearly dramatic enough.

Have you not seen the lords with 200+ weapon skill in tournaments? It's insane how fast they whip out attacks. At <100 1h skill you literally cannot feint against the AI sometimes because they fall for it but swing faster than you. It's also comical seeing shock infantry running faster than certain units on horses can ride.

 

[Narduiran]

Have you not seen the lords with 200+ weapon skill in tournaments? It's insane how fast they whip out attacks. At <100 1h skill you literally cannot feint against the AI sometimes because they fall for it but swing faster than you. It's also comical seeing shock infantry running faster than certain units on horses can ride.

My goto in tournaments is to show my back to the enemy and start my attack from there, doing a quick 180. It's the only way I've found to beat the very good characters in duels. The disparity is hilariously frustrating.

 

[Ted Striker]

My goto in tournaments is to show my back to the enemy and start my attack from there, doing a quick 180. It's the only way I've found to beat the very good characters in duels. The disparity is hilariously frustrating.

Lol I do the same thing, with two handers and polearms. My polearm skill is slowly climbing but two hand is stuck at 15 because I don't use them in combat. So I run away from them and swing 180 degrees like some superhuman psycho to win.

 

[stevehoos]

One in-game year is 80 in-game days.

I have about 30 hours of play time, and almost 300 days total.
300 days = 3,75 years.

That makes it about 8 hours per year, at least for me. Which would mean about 80h of play time until your character turns just 40 years old.

Also, some people think time passes way too fast. This is a perfect example of how you can't please everyone, and Talewords should just do what they want, and follow their vision.

I played 2 years in 4 hours. Not sure what you are doing differently.