Which factions are .. which?

[Kaptain_Krunch]

Basiicaly they have the same fighting speed, except one of the is more heavily armorered then he will win!

 

[magnemoe]

i meant you would have to get the enemy into the swamp for example:You place your Vaegir archers on  one side of the swamp while the swadian inf/cav are on the other,the swadians go thou the swamp to reach your archers,you charge with your archers.The archers being as light infantry would slaughter the inf/cav no problem

Heavy, medium or light armour, it makes no difference, in a bog you're humped. And when a lightly armoured man and a heavily armoured man are equally humped, the heavily armoured man will win. I can't see how it makes a magnificent difference. Besides, Calradia isn't Louisiana, there'd be mighty few swamps thrown around. Maybe 1 in 500 or even 1000 battle locations would be around a swamp, which is so preciously rare that its' not worth the bother.

True, you would travel outside swamps because they are hard to move in. Only time you might want to travel into a swamp would be because you are chased and want to make a stand, but you don’t make a stand in the game you only let the enemy reach you.

You have rivers and mountains in the game; their main tactical function in the game is to slow cavalry down so you have more time shooting at them and stop the cavalry from using lances.
A light armored man move significant slower than a heavy armored man in the game, but this seldom mater much, except for the player himself. The AI always attack so a peasant would charge a group of sergeants but the player would shoot at them and  redraw to friendly forces or a horse, this is why you put your heroes in reinforced plate but consider a lighter armor yourself. 
Armor mater and only mater then you take multiple hits or arrows. Seen this so many times, you lead a cavalry charge against the enemy line, it becomes a brawl where you blocking skills are useless; you take most of the hits in the back. 
After a couple of seconds the light armored enemies are dead, my causalities would be among the light armored cavalry like caravan guards. Now I have a fight between my cavalry and the heavy armored enemy who I usually outnumber. This scenario would also be true if you attack with infantry except the enemy archers would have longer time to shoot at you so armor is even more important. 
Another example was attacking a city in bandit mod. I could not charge straight ahead because of AI path finding problems so it would become a shootout. I used a army of sharpshooters and sword sisters. I lost most of my sharpshooters but only a few sword sisters because they had heavy armor, it didn’t mater much that the sharpshooters was higher level and much better at hitting then they could not survive the arrow storm. 
Learned how to kill Khergits after some time, they was wreaking havoc on my cavalry. The tricks was to stand ground on a hilltop, let the enemy attack; the hill stopped them from using the lances and then they fought my cavalry they was killed because they come in small groups with light armor. Then the lancers was gone I attacked the horse archers.

 

[Astarsis]

Swadians - Based on medieval Western European knight-dominated cultures (Germans, French, Spanish, etc.).
Vaegirs - Based on Slavic cultures (Poles, Rus, etc.).
Nords - Based on Scandinavian cultures.
Khergits - Amalgamation of Turkish/Mongol/Persian cultural influences.
Rhodoks - What's left over; just a silly little country thrown in for laughs.

Rhodock seem to be a split from Swadians
Looks a lot alike but more peasant looking 
But then, maybe the troop tree isn't done

In the text files, it's the only nation without the 2nd lady quest
It's also the only faction missing a town (where Dhorak keep used to be)
They're also dressing in dark color and located where the Dark Knights used to be

I think there is something very special about those Rhodocks

"peoples so bitter that they are willing to unleash hell on earth" (front page)

Watch out for when the Rhodock Kingdom fall...

If I would try to match them to a nation, would be the holy empire (germany/france)
not much because they look alike in any way, but because they dress in modern gothic style (dark colors)
I don't think that faction is finished.
Dark Knight & Dark Hunters would fit well as their cavalry.

The Swadians remind me of what I'd imagine most French, English, etc the more civilized medieval cultures would be

The chinese were the most civilized, and arabs were also more civilized than europeans.

helll no look at china they still live in little mud huts and dont get me started on arabs

That's plain silly - and racist

China was one of the first civilisation, they gave the world countless inventions. They stagnated for a while after that. So what ? All nations got their up and downs.

The arabs didn't stop at preserving byzantine knowledge. They invented a lot of new stuff. We owe them algebra and the invention of the zero. Believe it or not, we europeans were too dumb to come up with the idea 

Every nation gave a big piece to the puzles that are knowledge and culture.

Hmm, I've been thinkin...about the factions,
I always thought that the Swadians are french since, They keep loseing battles against me and surrendering when im only lvl 29.
I also thought that Veagirs are Like the british since they are A-holes to me (they beat me and take all my money).
THe Rhodoks are like the Scottish cause 1. they wear paint on there faces 2. They are rebels(i think) and 3. they just remind me of the scottish. and the Nords are just Nords and The kerghit just sound like some middle eastern desert type people. So lets not debate over these factions any more ok?

Yet another misguided racist post

Rhodok - Greek (Maybe Medieval Greece? Did the Greeks have crossbows in the 13th century?)

From my scant knowledge, crosbows were pushed by the italian cities in the 14th century - the french kings tried hiring italian mercenary crosbowmen to counter the english's longbows - didn't work great in open battle.

By the 13th century, greece was still part of the byzantine empire and probably used their weapons, which were bows as far as ranged weapons were concerned if I remember right.

Crossbows are pretty old, they're just a smaller version of the balliste.

Because of their slow reload, I think they were mostly intended for castle defense

Um, why does everyone and his brother insist on telling everyone that the Rhodoks are Swiss, Greek, Polish, German, Aboriginal, etc, etc, etc???

Shut the hell up already!

They're all confused

Rhodock are gremlins
Swadian are lizardmen
Nords are ogres
Vaegir are satyrs
Kherjit are centaurs (obviously)

Now, that settles it 

Seriously they're looking for cultural influences that migt have inspired Armagan. There is no doubt he's getting inspiration from history and try to have more realism than say "we have many aror types: daedric, elvish, meteoric..." as if all elves wore the exact same armor...  Personaly I like that realistic approach.

 

[toxicsimon]

I think the Rhodoks are maybe italian, if you play Medieval 2 Total War you may know what i'm on about.

 

[Kaptain_Krunch]

I do and i really doubt it!

 

[Dogukan]

still arguing this?
People get on with it, the factions are not based on any nations..they're based on different styles.
If you want a general look
khergits are nomads
swadians are the kingdom style we all watch in movies
vaegirs are like barbarians
rhodoks are the rival kingdom
nords are nords

 

[Bellum]

Swadians are like the HRE. The name even comes from a German group.

Nords are obvious.

Rodocks, I'm sure, are Italian, or a people very similar in culture, but less advanced. Anyone who knows more about the period and the people want to give a better guess?

khergits are from the endless steppe. Just generally, not a specific people. There are a lot of very similar people in the steppe.

Veagirs are...WTF are the Veagirs?

 

[Shik]

Swadians - Germans.
Vaegirs - Russians.
Khergit - Mongol/Turk
Nords - Vikings.
Rhodoks - Italians.

Old Calradia - Ancient Rome.

 

[Latex]

still arguing this?

They stopped arguing about 11 months ago...lol.

 

[Sahran]

Swadians are like the HRE. The name even comes from a German group.

Nords are obvious.

Rodocks, I'm sure, are Italian, or a people very similar in culture, but less advanced. Anyone who knows more about the period and the people want to give a better guess?

khergits are from the endless steppe. Just generally, not a specific people. There are a lot of very similar people in the steppe.

Veagirs are...WTF are the Veagirs?

M&B naturally takes an Eastern European atmosphere, so we can look to that for ideas.

Swadians are HRE.
Vaegirs are Poles or Russians.
Rhodocks are either Italian City States, the Northern Russian Trade City-States (Novgrod), or Balkan peoples. They fit I think best as Balkanites given I've heard they were largely guerilla infantry fighters (Except for the nobility), the issue only being the crossbow.

Khergits are Cumans/Mongols.

 

[Dogukan]

it gets even funnier when you say things like "obviously this is x" "I'm sure this is y"....stop it seriously.
Or ask Armağan what he was thinking....I wonder why you guys think they've based what they did to one nation. You guys have no imagination at all?

 

[Bellum]

No, in the case of the Swadians, it is pretty obvious. 


The Rodocks are a little less obvious, but we can look at traits from them and compare them to traits from real world people and see what is most likely related. Italians are a pretty good choice.

 

[Taateli]

Vihjalmr, is that really you in that picture? :O

And, is it just me, or is these new guys making topics with as new ideas as a spoon bit boring?

 

[Dogukan]

No, in the case of the Swadians, it is pretty obvious. 


The Rodocks are a little less obvious, but we can look at traits from them and compare them to traits from real world people and see what is most likely related. Italians are a pretty good choice.

the equipment used by Swadians are no different than what French, English, Spanish, Germans used in medieval era. They represent a more general culture/nation why narrow it to Germans?

 

[Taateli]

And, afaik Swadians are not same with Swabians even if the name sounds same.

 

[Bellum]

No, in the case of the Swadians, it is pretty obvious. 


The Rodocks are a little less obvious, but we can look at traits from them and compare them to traits from real world people and see what is most likely related. Italians are a pretty good choice.

the equipment used by Swadians are no different than what French, English, Spanish, Germans used in medieval era. They represent a more general culture/nation why narrow it to Germans?

Why not?

 

[Dogukan]

No, in the case of the Swadians, it is pretty obvious. 


The Rodocks are a little less obvious, but we can look at traits from them and compare them to traits from real world people and see what is most likely related. Italians are a pretty good choice.

the equipment used by Swadians are no different than what French, English, Spanish, Germans used in medieval era. They represent a more general culture/nation why narrow it to Germans?

Why not?

because when law of probabilty is considered what you say has fewer chance.
If that was the case, the producers would simply name them as Germans, Russians, Turkics, Scandinavians and Italians.
What is obvious is taht they based what they did on medieval era.....talking nationwise is silly. It's howewer more logical to think regionally like
swadians-west-central Europeans
Rhodoks-south Europeans/balkans
Vaegirs-East Euroepans
Khergits-central asians
nords-scandinavians

 

[duracell]

Rhodocks are either Italian City States, the Northern Russian Trade City-States (Novgrod), or Balkan peoples. They fit I think best as Balkanites given I've heard they were largely guerilla infantry fighters (Except for the nobility), the issue only being the crossbow.

Khergits are Cumans/Mongols.

That "little" issue pretty much kills the whole balkan theory.

(Seriously, I always read from a lot of people that Rhodoks are based on greeks, balkan, scotts altough they are not even similar to them, where the hell did you get this ideas?)

 

[Gavan_Lipp]

Rhodocks are either Italian City States, the Northern Russian Trade City-States (Novgrod), or Balkan peoples. They fit I think best as Balkanites given I've heard they were largely guerilla infantry fighters (Except for the nobility), the issue only being the crossbow.

Actually, Rhodoks field armies just as large as the other factions. And keep in mind there is more to a faction than military, there's the economy too!

The Swadians produce wheat, so European seems to fit.
The Vaegirs produce furs, and dried meats. Rules out the moorish empire, but it's still up for grabs.
Khergits are spice traders--Genghis Khan opened up spice trade routes to the far east, so Mongolian seems to fit there.
Nords catch fishies. Yay fishies! Vikings caught lots of fishies!
Rhodoks. Velvets and wine. I'd say Italy with that.

 

[DaveDaDude]

As a avid Rhodok fan, who has studied the architecture and dialogue history of this faction... i would say that they are based on Northern Italian countries