Banners, banners and banners.My worry is with recognition of friend or foe in the middle of the battle.
where are my banners to solve this crisis?
Banners, banners and banners.My worry is with recognition of friend or foe in the middle of the battle.
very nice examples!Here's some potential for diversifying the Vlandian aesthetic.
Vlandia Head: Painted Visored Helmet. A version of Visored Helmet over Laced Coif, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Head: Painted Pointed Skullcap. A version of Pointed Skullcap with Mail, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Shoulder: Mail Mantle. Similar to Mail Shoulder Guard, but symmetrical, and needs to have a mail texture that matches the Vlandian Mail Hauberk items, as the existing mail shoulder guard looks very different. For added visual diversity (and to make it clearer that it is being worn), could have a leather hem around the outside, like the Mail Shoulder Reinforcements does.
Vlandia Shoulder: Long Cloak. Some form of long cloak/cape. Could come off the shoulders, like in the fourth image below, to avoid clipping issues. Could look like pretty much anything- perhaps it could have a cloak pin or ermine fur trim, or be asymmetrical - so long as it looks distinctly Vlandian.
some more examples of why cloaks are important to this aesthetic:
Vlandia Torso: Quilted Mail Tabard. A noble long mail hauberk underneath a patterned quilt, with overlapping triangles in faction colour+another colour, which adds visual variety. Could also have added blunt defense!
Vlandia Torso: Luxury Mail Tabard. A noble tabard, with additional jewelry pieces, and decoration on the fabric's hem and sleeves as you can kind of notice on William the Conqueror's hauberk sleeves/hem on the Bayeux Tapestry.
And for the Sturgians, a Kievan Rus' style Decorated Kite Shield. So basically, just a reskin of one of the existing kite shield models, with Kievan-style patterns around the edge.
Here's some potential for diversifying the Vlandian aesthetic.
Vlandia Head: Painted Visored Helmet. A version of Visored Helmet over Laced Coif, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Head: Painted Pointed Skullcap. A version of Pointed Skullcap with Mail, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Shoulder: Mail Mantle. Similar to Mail Shoulder Guard, but symmetrical, and needs to have a mail texture that matches the Vlandian Mail Hauberk items, as the existing mail shoulder guard looks very different. For added visual diversity (and to make it clearer that it is being worn), could have a leather hem around the outside, like the Mail Shoulder Reinforcements does.
Vlandia Shoulder: Long Cloak. Some form of long cloak/cape. Could come off the shoulders, like in the fourth image below, to avoid clipping issues. Could look like pretty much anything- perhaps it could have a cloak pin or ermine fur trim, or be asymmetrical - so long as it looks distinctly Vlandian.
some more examples of why cloaks are important to this aesthetic:
Vlandia Torso: Quilted Mail Tabard. A noble long mail hauberk underneath a patterned quilt, with overlapping triangles in faction colour+another colour, which adds visual variety. Could also have added blunt defense!
Vlandia Torso: Luxury Mail Tabard. A noble tabard, with additional jewelry pieces, and decoration on the fabric's hem and sleeves as you can kind of notice on William the Conqueror's hauberk sleeves/hem on the Bayeux Tapestry.
And for the Sturgians, a Kievan Rus' style Decorated Kite Shield. So basically, just a reskin of one of the existing kite shield models, with Kievan-style patterns around the edge.
Impressive, your posts are always a good read ? hope some of this makes itHere's some potential for diversifying the Vlandian aesthetic.
Vlandia Head: Painted Visored Helmet. A version of Visored Helmet over Laced Coif, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Head: Painted Pointed Skullcap. A version of Pointed Skullcap with Mail, which is painted in faction colour, for added visual variety.
Vlandia Shoulder: Mail Mantle. Similar to Mail Shoulder Guard, but symmetrical, and needs to have a mail texture that matches the Vlandian Mail Hauberk items, as the existing mail shoulder guard looks very different. For added visual diversity (and to make it clearer that it is being worn), could have a leather hem around the outside, like the Mail Shoulder Reinforcements does.
Vlandia Shoulder: Long Cloak. Some form of long cloak/cape. Could come off the shoulders, like in the fourth image below, to avoid clipping issues. Could look like pretty much anything- perhaps it could have a cloak pin or ermine fur trim, or be asymmetrical - so long as it looks distinctly Vlandian.
some more examples of why cloaks are important to this aesthetic:
Vlandia Torso: Quilted Mail Tabard. A noble long mail hauberk underneath a patterned quilt, with overlapping triangles in faction colour+another colour, which adds visual variety. Could also have added blunt defense!
Vlandia Torso: Luxury Mail Tabard. A noble tabard, with additional jewelry pieces, and decoration on the fabric's hem and sleeves as you can kind of notice on William the Conqueror's hauberk sleeves/hem on the Bayeux Tapestry.
And for the Sturgians, a Kievan Rus' style Decorated Kite Shield. So basically, just a reskin of one of the existing kite shield models, with Kievan-style patterns around the edge.
All of them need a complete rework, In the name of Jerusalem 2 makes you realise just how ****ing goofy and cartoonish vanilla armours are
WHO APPROVED THIS AESTHETIC YOU'RE A CLOWN
Yep, it's crazy how much difference a good design makes, Who knows what tw's were thinkingThis is part of the reason I'm so excited for the mod, and the Brytenwalda mod. The historically accurate and non-goofy looking armor.
I think they were appeasing a more fantasied look of what medieval or older eras were, rather than pure historical reference. Their excuse for that could be that this is not our work, and I agree that grants them room of course, but it doesn't work at all. If they had gone with more historical or non-fantasy looking designs from the start, I doubt most people would complain about it. At all. I'm still holding out hope they change it or add far better non-goofy stuff, but I could be holding my breath on that until I die.Yep, it's crazy how much difference a good design makes, Who knows what tw's were thinking
Doubt they will to be honest, they seem pretty set on pretty simplistic designsI think they were appeasing a more fantasied look of what medieval or older eras were, rather than pure historical reference. Their excuse for that could be that this is not our work, and I agree that grants them room of course, but it doesn't work at all. If they had gone with more historical or non-fantasy looking designs from the start, I doubt most people would complain about it. At all. I'm still holding out hope they change it or add far better non-goofy stuff, but I could be holding my breath on that until I die.
Oh give me a damn break.Doubt they will to be honest, they seem pretty set on pretty simplistic designs
Single colour banners, faction coloured armours, uniformed armours. It all comes down to this being able to distinguish your own troops bull****
designed for casuals and kids, i tell you
whatever you say earth dragonso let’s not play like it’s just a bunch of immature kids that a different preference then you.
Oh give me a damn break.
Wanting to know whose troops are who easily isn’t a “casual” want. Not having to play with “circles over the head” are appreciated when colors are consolidated.
And the streams where I saw a person asking for more variety had a character with literal clown make-up on, so let’s not play like it’s just a bunch of immature kids that a different preference then you. A game still needs to be playable and approachable and having two sides of a battlefield look the same, or having magical floating banners to differentiate each sides troops doesn’t exactly create a sense of realism anyway.
All I’ve seen you do is say anything and everything about the game is terrible. It’s less me defending anything and just understanding what’s being done. There are plenty of people who just want change for change sake, or claim that it’s better for the game just based on it being a preference.You can easily distinguish troops without making it painfully boring, repeating and distracting. You would defend anything though....
Because the mods do overhaul the game to make it better but of course we want the good stuff in the vanilla gameIt’s interesting that many of the folks who want to overhaul lots about the game also play with dozens of mods. It’s doesn’t matter what the game does and is, those folks will mod it anyway
All I’ve seen you do is say anything and everything about the game is terrible. It’s less me defending anything and just understanding what’s being done. There are plenty of people who just want change for change sake, or claim that it’s better for the game just based on it being a preference.
It’s interesting that many of the folks who want to overhaul lots about the game also play with dozens of mods. It’s doesn’t matter what the game does and is, those folks will mod it anyway
I think they were appeasing a more fantasied look of what medieval or older eras were, rather than pure historical reference.
Wanting to know whose troops are who easily isn’t a “casual” want. Not having to play with “circles over the head” are appreciated when colors are consolidated.
They were initially insistent on using proper historical references, but at some point they just got sloppy. The 3D artists in the Art blog back in 2017 or thereabouts said that they didn't get given any references at all, and just winged it based on TV shows and video games they had played or watched, while I know for a fact that prior to that they had been using references. The reason I think they just got sloppy is because all the flavour text for factions still says what they're supposed to be based on. This is also why the quality and design of different outfits varies so much.