Which are more Rus?

[Vomar]

Hi

I have a thing for medieval Rus peoples.
And i was wondering which are more Rus?
The Kergits or the Vaegirs?

I know that the Kergits are more Mongorian,but talk about the steppes and horsemanship always reminds me of ancient Steppe peoples such as Scythians,Sarmatians etc.
But the Vaegirs have the ice cold snowy lands,which also remind me of the same thing,and theyre armor and none jousting lances also remind me of them.
Personally,youve all managed to change mah (my) mind from thinking the Khergits to the Vaegirs which obviously are more Rus,and now since ive stopped playing the demo and got the real game i gotta say my opinion was stupid.
All the people have said that the vaegirs are here so you dont really have to.

 

[Lord Shields]

Yay for abbreviations. Rus... as in Russian? If that's the case I don't think many come close.

 

[Vomar]

Russians didnt become Russians until they stopped being tribes and united each other.

 

[Argos]

I would definately say Vaegir, not that I'm an expert on russian history or anything. Their infantry quite like to use big axes, which reminds me of the russians in Total War games.
As you say Khergit are more Mongolian.

Similarly, where do you think the inspiration for Rhodoks comes from? Nords are obviously scandinavian of some sort, and Swadians are probably western european, possibly frenchies?

 

[DerPrinz]

I think the Rhodoks are either Roman or some Italian city state (probably the latter though due to the use of crossbows).
EDIT: Yea Swadians probably represent some fragment of the Holy Roman Empire because they themselves are a fragment of the old Calradian Empire, and feel that they are the superior fragment.

 

[djude]

Between the Vaegirs and Kergits, its obvious the Vaegirs are more Rus.

Reason: Cuz the Kergits are a representation of the Mongols!

 

[Vomar]

The vaegirs seem like theyre Rus but they lack the Composite bow,which the Rus used ALOT!

 

[007killer555]

i would say vaegir because khergits are mongolian

 

[HawkeyePierce]

I'd vote for the vaegirs as well, since the khergits are
much more a resemblance of the tartars/mongolians.

Bye
H.

 

[Mabons]

Download the Eagle and the Radiant Cross mod, and be the Rus there. Back out if you hate guns.

 

[Vomar]

Download the Eagle and the Radiant Cross mod, and be the Rus there. Back out if you hate guns.

Augh man... So excited until you mentioned the guns,thanks alot for the warning :

 

[Ludial]

Khergit - Turkic;
Vaegir - Slavic;
Nords - Germanic/Scandinavian
Rhodok - most likely late Medieval German/Swiss
Swadians - Mediterranean Europeans; like someone said, heirs of the Holy Roman Empire in some way.

By the way, the OP seems to confuse something about the Rus - they had nothing to do with the Scythians and Sarmatians(who are much earlier). The Rus tribes(who later gave their name to the Russians) were formed of a mix of Scandinavians and Slavs in the early Middle Ages. Nothing to do with the aforementioned tribes(which are considered more of a part of Antiquity).

There`s a reason the Vaegirs are identified as Slavic mostly by their equipment, which is a mix of Nordic and Khergit influence; the same was with the Rus who, being in between the Norse realms and those of the steppe nomads, they had a lot from both worlds. And that was valid in general for a great part of Eastern Europe. As far south as the Balcans, where for example the Bulgarian nation was formed by a ruling class of Bulgars, who were of Turkic origins, and the large Slavic population they found there and allied with against the Byzantine Empire.

 

[Almalexia]

Alright, that list is pretty off.

Khergits = Mongols, obviously
Vaegirs = Russian, Slavic
Swadians = French, maybe German
Nords = Viking/English
Rhodoks = Italian States

 

[Ludial]

Alright, that list is pretty off.

Khergits = Mongols, obviously
Vaegirs = Russian, Slavic
Swadians = French, maybe German
Nords = Viking/English
Rhodoks = Italian States

who`s list?

 

[Almalexia]

Yours.

 

[Ludial]

mine and yours seem almost identical to me:
Khergits = Mongols, obviously
Vaegirs = Russian, Slavic
Swadians = French, maybe German
Nords = Viking/English
Rhodoks = Italian States

Khergit - Turkic;
Vaegir - Slavic;
Nords - Germanic/Scandinavian
Rhodok - most likely late Medieval German/Swiss
Swadians - Mediterranean Europeans; like someone said, heirs of the Holy Roman Empire in some way.

 

[Almalexia]

Not really.

 

[Vomar]

By the way, the OP seems to confuse something about the Rus - they had nothing to do with the Scythians and Sarmatians(who are much earlier). The Rus tribes(who later gave their name to the Russians) were formed of a mix of Scandinavians and Slavs in the early Middle Ages. Nothing to do with the aforementioned tribes(which are considered more of a part of Antiquity).

There`s a reason the Vaegirs are identified as Slavic mostly by their equipment, which is a mix of Nordic and Khergit influence; the same was with the Rus who, being in between the Norse realms and those of the steppe nomads, they had a lot from both worlds. And that was valid in general for a great part of Eastern Europe. As far south as the Balcans, where for example the Bulgarian nation was formed by a ruling class of Bulgars, who were of Turkic origins, and the large Slavic population they found there and allied with against the Byzantine Empire.

Thanks,i knew that already but scythians and sarmatians were rus at that time 0-500 AD
Except the Kergits dont resemble the Turks at all..

Also the Nords dont resemble the english xDDDDDDDDDDD the Swadians resemble Holy Roman Empire,French and English.
The nords resemble the Scandinavians.

 

[Ludial]

I said Turkic, not Turks. There`s a slight difference. The Turks(a more precise name is Ottomans, or more commonly Ottoman Turks) were a Turkic ethnicity; the group once also included  Bulgars(now Slavic for the most part), Khazars, Cumans, Avars, and many others related to them. Currently it encompasses the majority of Asian nations from the former USSR. And Khergits ARE a representation of that group.
And I do not understand how can you think that Scythians and Sarmatians(both of Iranic origins) can be Rus, who were Scandinavians? Where did you read that?

The Nords do slightly resemble the English, however. More precisely their ancestors - the Anglo-Saxons, who along with the other nations that inhabited the Island in Antiquity and early Middle Ages were of Germanic origins. As a matter of fact, the modern English language is in the group of Teutonic languages, along with German and the Scandinavian languages.

And Tiberius, just WTH do you mean ``not exactly``? There`s barely any difference in the contents of what we two posted as lists!

 

[Vomar]

You might be right about the turkic people,i highly doubt that though.
The Scythians and Sarmatians spoke Iranian langueges,doesn't mean they were Iranic.
The Rus had a minority of people who were Scandinavian,the others were Slavic.
The Scandinavian peoples sailed down the rivers a long way south,some settled in the Rus steppes some didnt.

Saxons shouldnt really be in with in  the Scandinavians i think