Where is the Calradian Empire's traditional capital?

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If we're basing the Calradian Empire on Rome, then there's going to have been 1 city that was the seed of empire, more than a capital, a centerpiece of Imperial life. As big as Rome got it was still by and large run like the world's largest city state, even when the Eastern Romans were all that was left, they just changed cities to Constantinople.

So where is the big city? Where is the imperial seat? Which of the 3 pretender Empires holds the capital? It seems that that information is nowhere to be seen, at the very least, I never found it. My speculation is that it might be Lycaron, but without canon confirmation, there's no way to be sure. But not having that information feels like a huge hole in the lore TBH.
 
If we're basing the Calradian Empire on Rome, then there's going to have been 1 city that was the seed of empire, more than a capital, a centerpiece of Imperial life. As big as Rome got it was still by and large run like the world's largest city state, even when the Eastern Romans were all that was left, they just changed cities to Constantinople.

So where is the big city? Where is the imperial seat? Which of the 3 pretender Empires holds the capital? It seems that that information is nowhere to be seen, at the very least, I never found it. My speculation is that it might be Lycaron, but without canon confirmation, there's no way to be sure. But not having that information feels like a huge hole in the lore TBH.
Sort of like a King's Landing?
I think it might be Lycaron, If they add more interior designs maybe later that will be it probably.
 
I believe it is the capital of the Western Empire. Somewhere i read that the Empire wasn't natives of the Calradia, they came from the sea just like vlandians. Considering this, I'd say it is the capital of the Western Empire.
 
It makes sense for it to be the Southern though. Rhagaea was the emperor's wife. The western empire is just a bunch of upstart generals
 
It makes sense for it to be the Southern though. Rhagaea was the emperor's wife. The western empire is just a bunch of upstart generals
Yeah what i was thinking, Because it was the Seat of the emperor. And like King's landing it was the seat for them as well. And now the queen's. Same as Rhagaea.
 
The original capital is canonically in Vlandia. That's where the empire's original homeland was before the Vlandians pushed them east.
 
The original capital is canonically in Vlandia. That's where the empire's original homeland was before the Vlandians pushed them east.

I don't think that can be considered the same type of thing as a "Rome" though. That would be more like when they were just tribal people moving around who got kicked out and eventually built their great civilization elsewhere
 
The original capital is canonically in Vlandia. That's where the empire's original homeland was before the Vlandians pushed them east.

Really? Where does it say that?

The game's files have Calradian names for most of the Vlandian cities, so that makes sense.

I thought it was Lykaron because of the fact that the Vaegir Guard rebelled there.
 
I don't think that can be considered the same type of thing as a "Rome" though. That would be more like when they were just tribal people moving around who got kicked out and eventually built their great civilization elsewhere
I'm not sure, but I think they were already an empire for a long time before the vlandians came.
 
Really? Where does it say that?

The game's files have Calradian names for most of the Vlandian cities, so that makes sense.

I thought it was Lykaron because of the fact that the Vaegir Guard rebelled there.
From what I understand, the people who made the Empire came from somewhere else and conquered many of the locals. They arrived first on the west coast and then conquered inward. The Palaic people were one of the local groups that were conquered and whose culture was destroyed. The Sturgians, Battanians, Aserai, and Kuzhaits were other groups already present on the continent. The Nords were mercenaries from the north who in the time of Bannerlord were just starting to be brought in by various groups. The Vladians were huge groups of mercenaries brought over by the Empire who eventually rebelled taking the Empire's original lands in Calradia. Btw, the capital was Baravenos, which is Praven.

edit: found this
"A thousand years ago, the Calradoi were one of a dozen tribes living in the hill country between the southern sea and the Battanian woods. Over time, they subjugated their neighbours, forcing them into a confederation of city-states."
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/45

So yes, they are indigenous to the west coast.
 
The empire apparently moved capitals, whereever the emperor was.

From that same dev blog:

"The capital moved from place to place, and the assembly of the people was called wherever the emperor desired. In practice, this was usually an army camp where his veterans could be relied upon to shout down any opposition."

And Lycaron was where Arenicos's palace was located:

"And then, returning to his palace in the southern town of Lycaron after his latest victorious campaign on the borders, "


It doesn't make a lot of sense for there to be a moving capital (a capital is the most important city, not the same thing as the seat of government) but it's a video game, so whatever. It's still an open question what settlement the Calradoi originally arose from, which may not necessarily be Baravenos if the capital actually did move around that much -- but who knows?
 
Btw, the capital was Baravenos, which is Praven.

Interesting, but the game files state that Pravend comes from the Calradic Parzeonerea: 'City of He Who Rules By Heaven's Will'.

The names of the Calradic empire are vaguely Greek but I never know if they are Greek, or they took the Warhammer 40k approach to "not-latin" their Greek names.

Parzeonerea could come from Para Theon - and the suffix usually used to cities.

It doesn't make a lot of sense for there to be a moving capital (a capital is the most important city, not the same thing as the seat of government) but it's a video game, so whatever. It's still an open question what settlement the Calradoi originally arose from, which may not necessarily be Baravenos if the capital actually did move around that much -- but who knows?

On the contrary, it's not uncommon at all that ancient empires had itinerant cities. China, for example. There was one preferred capital city, but the habit of kings to build new cities (like the Persians did often) made it so every king could choose from a number of palaces all in different parts of the empire, and if they were energetic managers, they'd use them all.

This was more common in bronze and iron age empires and Medieval feudal courts than the more modern empires from the 15th Century onwards.
 
Interesting, but the game files state that Pravend comes from the Calradic Parzeonerea: 'City of He Who Rules By Heaven's Will'.

The names of the Calradic empire are vaguely Greek but I never know if they are Greek, or they took the Warhammer 40k approach to "not-latin" their Greek names.

Parzeonerea could come from Para Theon - and the suffix usually used to cities.



On the contrary, it's not uncommon at all that ancient empires had itinerant cities. China, for example. There was one preferred capital city, but the habit of kings to build new cities (like the Persians did often) made it so every king could choose from a number of palaces all in different parts of the empire, and if they were energetic managers, they'd use them all.

This was more common in bronze and iron age empires and Medieval feudal courts than the more modern empires from the 15th Century onwards.
I'm not sure actually. Information on Baravenos:
https://mountandblade.fandom.com/wiki/Wilund_the_Bold
Speculations on Baravenos being Praven:
 
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The empire apparently moved capitals, whereever the emperor was.

From that same dev blog:

"The capital moved from place to place, and the assembly of the people was called wherever the emperor desired. In practice, this was usually an army camp where his veterans could be relied upon to shout down any opposition."

And Lycaron was where Arenicos's palace was located:

"And then, returning to his palace in the southern town of Lycaron after his latest victorious campaign on the borders, "


It doesn't make a lot of sense for there to be a moving capital (a capital is the most important city, not the same thing as the seat of government) but it's a video game, so whatever. It's still an open question what settlement the Calradoi originally arose from, which may not necessarily be Baravenos if the capital actually did move around that much -- but who knows?
The voivodes that ruled the principates that make up my current country were known to move the capital everytime a new voievode took power. We had somewhere around 20 capitals between all 3 principates. So it isn't really unrealistic.
 
People often use capital and seat of government interchangeably but they're not the same thing. A capital is the most important city -- it does NOT have to be where the government sits, even though most modern countries today (the Netherlands is an exception) treat them as the same thing (hence the confusion).

On the contrary, it's not uncommon at all that ancient empires had itinerant cities. China, for example. There was one preferred capital city, but the habit of kings to build new cities (like the Persians did often) made it so every king could choose from a number of palaces all in different parts of the empire, and if they were energetic managers, they'd use them all.

This is why I distinguished between capitals and seats of government -- or court cities, if you like. The Chinese imperial court may have shifted between Luoyang and Chang'an and a few other places from time to time, the Persian kings may have decided to hold court in Susa, Ecbatana, Babylon, or Persepolis as the desire (and season) suited them, but that's not the same as a "capital" city moving -- that's the court-based organ of government.

Similarly, for the Romans, we often hear of the tetrarchic "capitals" which is also not quite accurate. This, too, accords well with the Persian or Chinese model of the emperor moving his court and bureaucracy along with him for ease of control -- but under Roman law, there was only ever one capital with one Senate (Rome) and eventually a second capital (Constantinople), distinguished precisely because it received an inferior imitation (and eventual parity) of the capital privileges of Rome.

We know the Calradic emperors were appointed to handle wars (like Roman dictators) and that their positions eventually ossified into permanent ones. We knew they moved their base of operations to whereever was conveniently located.

That doesn't mean, though, that the Empire lacked a "capital" -- a "most important city." You can move the court and bureaucracy easily enough -- cities themselves tend to be located physically for a reason, though, unless you're nomadic. The question of what original city the Empire came from and what their most major settlement was is still left outstanding, although Baravenos is certainly a candidate for it -- whereever the heck it is.
 
A capital is the most important city -- it does NOT have to be where the government sits
I heard this for the first time in my life. From what I know, Capital is the city which is the country ruled from.
Considering that the developers are Turkish I am going give an example from Turkey. The most important city in the country is Istanbul but it is not the capital. Capital is the Ankara, which is the seat of the government. Capital is the Capital, no matter how strong the city is the heart of the country is where the country is ruled from. Which is the capital. Center of the Country.

Considering that the Empire was pretty old and waged war all over the continent, we might say that the Emperor changed his capital due to politics and wars. If you are in war with Vlandians, ist is not illogical to have your capital in the near. They didn't have internet or whatsapp, they had to send messangers to the commanders and it took a while for a messengar to arrive to warzone, which might end up with your army losing the battles/getting ambushed, being to harsh to the conquered people or being to passive. That's why it is important to be not far away from the warzone. I am saying this due to Calradian Emperors being mostly generals.

But i believe the OP is asking for a ''ethnical capital'' or the homeland of the Empire, which is beyond the sea. They came from the Sea thus, Vlandian lands are probably were their homeland and Praven the capital. They brought up Vlandians with themselves, waged war against the Natives of the continent and conquered inwards. In the meanwhile they moved their capital too and moved their armies to the east which means they left the western part of the country mostly unprotected, or only protected by the Vlandian Mercs. Vlandians rose up and took control of the Western part easily.

Empire is like Rome, but also not. The way they rule the armies etc etc are just like Rome. But the government is highly militaristic. They are spending their time mostly on military rather than ruling what they already have. probably all of the senetors were generals or ex generals. The seat of the government is actualy the headquarters of the army.
 
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