What made you lose faith in humanity today?

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Rustling up 50k for bail isn't something only rich people can do. You'd be surprised by how much **** is non-essential if you've got a loved one in jail.
Maybe not rich, but at least middle class, I think.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/most-americans-dont-have-the-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/14/america-bail-system-law-rich-poor
"Among defendants arrested in 2008 on non-felony charges and given bail of $1,000 or less, only 13% of defendants were able to post bail at arraignment."

But again, I'm just speculating, and in emergencies using credit or family and friends, can help out.

By the way, what happened to that "affluenza" teen who drunk killed 4 people?  :smile:
 
A piece of football news that seems to be rocking Czechia at the moment and that made me lose faith in humanity a little, even though I don't care about football at all.

So, there was this match between Czechia and Scotland. A pretty rough and heated one, including a faul that brought the culprit a ban for 4 next matches. The talking point of the match was when a Czech defender apparently shouted "you're a ****ing monkey" on a Scottish player who happened to be black in a heated moment of the match when the losing Scottish team started to turn the game into a bloody grindfest. The receiving Scottish player didn't take the racist insult all that well. He took it so badly that after the match, he approached the Czech defender in a corridor and assaulted him. This was established by the UEFA investigation afterwards.

The Czech defender received a ban on next ten matches for racism. Okay. The Scottish player received 3 match ban for the assault. I mean, what the hell is this supposed to mean? On the one side, you have a racist insult thrown WHILE in an extraordinarily brutal game, yet the penalty is more severe than for a guy who literally goes and finds the guy AFTER the game is concluded and attacks him with fists. I mean, maybe some priority sorting is in order.
 
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Maybe it's a campaign in football to stamp out racism with serious punishments. It's a matter of policy, not civil justice.
On the one side, you have a racist insult thrown WHILE in an extraordinarily brutal game, yet the penalty is more severe than for a guy who literally goes and finds the guy AFTER the game is concluded and attacks him with fists. I mean, maybe some priority sorting is in order.
Remember Zidane and Materazzi? Who's side you were on? Same here.
 
Dude, we're now living in a world where Blacks killing random Asians out of pure spite is White supremacy. Kudela should count his blessings he's not prosecuted for hate crime.
I doubt anyone is saying that except your Tucker Carlsons in an effort to mainstream white supremacy ideas.
 
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i'm not going to google the other dozens of clips of pundits on CNN, NBC etc etc national news saying the same "Blacks are only attacking Asians because Whitey made them" talking point that I saw over and over on tv in real time, because you have already made up your mind that anything that doesn't fit your preconceived notion is white supremacy lol
 
Maybe it's a campaign in football to stamp out racism with serious punishments. It's a matter of policy, not civil justice.

Yeah, but then the policy is flawed. I get that societal values change and I get that in the past we had the church, the king, the nation, the socialist regime and other objects of veneration protected to the extent that they promoted disproportionate responses, I just fail to see what makes race that similar to these concepts.
 
Yeah, but then the policy is flawed. I get that societal values change and I get that in the past we had the church, the king, the nation, the socialist regime and other objects of veneration protected to the extent that they promoted disproportionate responses, I just fail to see what makes race that similar to these concepts.
See it in terms of football association campaign against racism. Those punishments don't represent absolute values, but current policy needs.
There's been a lot of pressure on footballing authorities to do more about racism in recent years (because there's been a lot of racist incidents around football), and this is the result. In the end, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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i'm not going to google the other dozens of clips of pundits on CNN, NBC etc etc national news saying the same "Blacks are only attacking Asians because Whitey made them" talking point that I saw over and over on tv in real time, because you have already made up your mind that anything that doesn't fit your preconceived notion is white supremacy lol
I don't think you read any of those, you are just being anti-anti-racist for the sake of owning the libs.
 
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In the end, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
This does not adress the disproportionality. It actually highlights it. "Sport is sport" is only efficient to a certain degree in shielding the disciplinary proceedings from the considerations applicable to other proceedings, especially when it brings very concrete negative consequences for an individual while not offering safeguards that criminal proceedings must have.

Speaking of, Here's to hoping for a criminal prosecution :lol:
 
This does not adress the disproportionality. It actually highlights it. "Sport is sport" is only efficient to a certain degree in shielding the disciplinary proceedings from the considerations applicable to other proceedings, especially when it brings very concrete negative consequences for an individual while not offering safeguards that criminal proceedings must have.

Speaking of, Here's to hoping for a criminal prosecution :lol:
I keep trying to explain the reason for disproportionality relative to civil law punishments, but maybe you can't get over the fact that sports associations can have their separate disciplinary rules from civilian authorities? It's a UEFA POLICY, not absolute measure of racism compared to violence.
Let the Czech authorities do their work too and present charges, that's independent of the sports disciplinary proceedings. Also I'm pretty sure there is a comprehensive appeal system that goes all the way to CAS and even ECHR, so your precious Kudela could have his day in many courts.
 
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I don't think you read any of those, you are just being anti-anti-racist for the sake of owning the libs.
No, I did. I'm just not falling for the journalists' tricks. They come out with a headline and a soundbite, in this case "white supremacy is behind the black attacks on asians" and yes then they write up their sophistic diatribes, about how see what I really meant by that is that whitey has been playing divide and conquer and kept the black man down in one way and the yellow man in another, because being presented as the "model minority" is such a burden to carry. There is hardly any woe bigger than being assumed to be good at math. So, really, when blacks curbstomp random passer-by asians or set them on fire, it's because of the historical trauma accumulated and the divide and conquer tactics." And even though it's a little less retarded than the context-free claim that Blacks killing Asians is White supremacy, after two or three media cycles, nobody remembers, all that's left is the soundbite that White supremacy killed those Asians in Oakland and elsewhere.
 
@kurczak I think you are reading into these links based on your own bias. I didn't see any of that myself. White supremacists are an actual issue in the modern US society, they are in fact a pretty credible terrorist threat as the FBI itself stated (hardly a leftist institution). That doesn't mean that every single attack to Asians is caused by them, but this fact also does not imply that white supremacy is an invention of the radical left or whatever scarecrow Tucker is waving around these days. These problems can not be described in an overly simplified way.

That said, covid has caused a resurgence of anti Asian sentiments (which have been a thing since a few centuries ago in the US, especially in California.)
 
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