What governs Party Size of AI Lords?

[Helmut_AUT]

Hi all

Right now, my dear Kingdowm of Swadia is royally getting overrun by Rhodoks. The AI Lords on my side bring 50 to 60 troops each, the Rhodok Counts have 120+. There's currently a single Rhodok Army group right in the middle of Swadian Land which numbers close to 700, 800 men, and all we can muster against them are maybe 200.

I've never heard a clear explanation what rules the party size that AI Lords can create. Is it economy (as in, plundered caravans and looted villages reduce troop amount), is it some other factor? What can I do to reduce Rhodok Numbers and increase Swadian Numbers?

 

[shaedys]

I know there's a correlation with the area of the kingdom, or it was that I was beating them so often. But when I almost overran khergits they all had 17 people or something.

 

[Helmut_AUT]

Size of Kingdom makes sense, maybe x amount of troops per village/city per month? And when they all died in previous war against Nords, it takes too long to regenerate army?

I'd still love to know if economy has any impact. People have posted that it hasn't, but it seems simple enough and would make raids against caravans much more satisfying.

 

[GuitarooGuy]

AFAIK the party size of an AI lord depends on how many fiefs that lord has.

 

[sgtsniper]

this thread has potential

 

[Cznielsen]

Maybe giving them high leadership skill before you make them vassals?

 

[sgtsniper]

Maybe giving them high leadership skill before you make them vassals?

i know a lot of companions that i had arent able to increase their leadership skill

 

[Helmut_AUT]

Just back from a few more battles, and it seems the tides are shifting. But I have no clue why.

There must be some rules in effect that allow the player to reduce recruitment of enemy lords - raiding villages really should have an effect. They lose money, and they lose recruits, so they should end up with smaller troop sizes and slower replenishment of their loses.

But it seems no one knows for sure - expect that number of fiefs influences this, but that alone can't be the only mechanism?

 

[Cznielsen]

Just back from a few more battles, and it seems the tides are shifting. But I have no clue why.

There must be some rules in effect that allow the player to reduce recruitment of enemy lords - raiding villages really should have an effect. They lose money, and they lose recruits, so they should end up with smaller troop sizes and slower replenishment of their loses.

But it seems no one knows for sure - expect that number of fiefs influences this, but that alone can't be the only mechanism?

Once I conquered almost all vaegir fiefs... they had only two castles with two looted villages, and they didn't get any reinforcements after that. If they did.. it was tier 1 or 2 troops and only a few of them.

 

[woofty]

Maybe giving them high leadership skill before you make them vassals?

You can't give Companions leadership skill.  It's a PC only trait.

 

[Cznielsen]

Maybe giving them high leadership skill before you make them vassals?

You can't give Companions leadership skill.  It's a PC only trait.

Really?

Never noticed that though.

 

[woofty]

Maybe giving them high leadership skill before you make them vassals?

You can't give Companions leadership skill.  It's a PC only trait.

Really?

Never noticed that though.

Yeah.  I tried but it's always grayed out when I level my companions.

 

[Lugh]

Some of them, mainly the nobility ones, come with some Leadership pre-bought.

You can give a lot more troops than is conceivable to your vassals though. I have Alayen running around with 200+ troops, and he only has 600 renown and 12 or so CHA.

So they certainly don't seem to have a hardcoded limit the way the PC has, but maybe there is a level over which they won't "spawn" any new troops.

 

[woofty]

Some of them, mainly the nobility ones, come with some Leadership pre-bought.

You can give a lot more troops than is conceivable to your vassals though. I have Alayen running around with 200+ troops, and he only has 600 renown and 12 or so CHA.

So they certainly don't seem to have a hardcoded limit the way the PC has, but maybe there is a level over which they won't "spawn" any new troops.

I suspect they are more renown based than the PC.  I've been trying to correlate lords renown with their troop size.  Any folks seen any relations?

 

[Lugh]

Only in a general way. Kings tend to have renown in the high thousands and have a large army right from the get go.

 

[UnfortunateCrow]

From what I have seen it is almost all based on renown.