So I've noticed a lot of consistency in the courtship system, but also a few things which puzzle me.
100% of the time, if a lady responds to your initial proposal with the line in the thread title, then on the second round of persuasion attempts, she will tell you that she doesn't find you attractive (to which you can then with various persuasion attempts). Nearly all of the ladies I pursue give me this line, which is vexing, because I'm choosing them for role-play reasons to begin with. Not coincidentally, nearly all of the ladies I've pursued across all playthroughs have Merciful and/or Generous traits.
So I've done some stress-testing to try to ascertain what causes it, and it does appear to be based on their traits; 100% of women I've spoken to who have Generous and/or Merciful will give me that response.
To make things more complicated, the character Elidilea starts the campaign as a child with the Merciful trait, but in recent versions of the game, children can lose traits during their teens. In my current campaign, Elidilea lost Merciful and gained Impulsive instead. In all of my campaigns where I've attempted to woo her, she's always responded with the "Em... yes, well" line. This includes my current campaign, in which she didn't have Merciful.
So, evidently, either Impulsive is also one of the traits tied to the response, or else the response script only checks that she was born with Merciful, and doesn't take into account the fact that she lost that trait. I could only find one other unmarried lady (in the mid-game campaign I'm using to test) who has Impulsive, and she indeed gave me the same line, which suggests that it's in the pool of traits tied to the problematic response.
Then there's the "You're a handsome devil" response. I've gotten this three times only; I don't remember who the first one was, but the other two both had Daring. Haven't tested this one as much.
I've spent quite some time today trying to figure this out, using the debug mode to teleport around, initiating courtship with all of the unmarried girls I can find who have those traits. Even with the teleport cheat, it's pretty time-consuming and irritating, and I was wondering if someone's already done this, and maybe has a table or something.
100% of the time, if a lady responds to your initial proposal with the line in the thread title, then on the second round of persuasion attempts, she will tell you that she doesn't find you attractive (to which you can then with various persuasion attempts). Nearly all of the ladies I pursue give me this line, which is vexing, because I'm choosing them for role-play reasons to begin with. Not coincidentally, nearly all of the ladies I've pursued across all playthroughs have Merciful and/or Generous traits.
So I've done some stress-testing to try to ascertain what causes it, and it does appear to be based on their traits; 100% of women I've spoken to who have Generous and/or Merciful will give me that response.
To make things more complicated, the character Elidilea starts the campaign as a child with the Merciful trait, but in recent versions of the game, children can lose traits during their teens. In my current campaign, Elidilea lost Merciful and gained Impulsive instead. In all of my campaigns where I've attempted to woo her, she's always responded with the "Em... yes, well" line. This includes my current campaign, in which she didn't have Merciful.
So, evidently, either Impulsive is also one of the traits tied to the response, or else the response script only checks that she was born with Merciful, and doesn't take into account the fact that she lost that trait. I could only find one other unmarried lady (in the mid-game campaign I'm using to test) who has Impulsive, and she indeed gave me the same line, which suggests that it's in the pool of traits tied to the problematic response.
Then there's the "You're a handsome devil" response. I've gotten this three times only; I don't remember who the first one was, but the other two both had Daring. Haven't tested this one as much.
I've spent quite some time today trying to figure this out, using the debug mode to teleport around, initiating courtship with all of the unmarried girls I can find who have those traits. Even with the teleport cheat, it's pretty time-consuming and irritating, and I was wondering if someone's already done this, and maybe has a table or something.
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