What are the best units in game?

[Openshaw]

There is another even better reason to go after Huscarls instead. The Nord infantry tier 3 and 4 are much better. Those Warriors and Veterans can tear Spearmen and Veteran Spearmen appart with ease. While your Rhodok army might struggle until reaching the Sargeants, your Nords will kick serious ass from tier 3.

True. Rhodok Armies are good; but only if you have them all on top-trier. Nords have better mid-trier units than Rhodoks.

 

[Articulo34]

There is another even better reason to go after Huscarls instead. The Nord infantry tier 3 and 4 are much better. Those Warriors and Veterans can tear Spearmen and Veteran Spearmen appart with ease. While your Rhodok army might struggle until reaching the Sargeants, your Nords will kick serious ass from tier 3.

True. Rhodok Armies are good; but only if you have them all on top-trier. Nords have better mid-trier units than Rhodoks.

Not all. Rhodok Crossbowmen can do lots of damage, even low tiers.

 

[SpruceTrap]

Anyone know what infantry units take the longest to kill? Say I had a mostly archer army but I wanted to station a small group in infantry at ladder in siege defenses to slow down the attackers while my archers wanted to pick them off. What would be the best troop for the job?

 

[Articulo34]

Both Rhodok Sargeants and Nord Huscarls must be pretty close in HP. Also their armor has similar stats and they always carry big shields. The difference is that Sargeants are more lethal against well armored enemies because of their hammers, but the Huscarls have some range with their throwing crap and their axes can rip shields to shreds in a moment.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

My tactic:
Use a few Huscarls and Rhodok Sharpshooters, then just cram as many Knights into your army as you can.

 

[SpruceTrap]

Both Rhodok Sargeants and Nord Huscarls must be pretty close in HP. Also their armor has similar stats and they always carry big shields. The difference is that Sargeants are more lethal against well armored enemies because of their hammers, but the Huscarls have some range with their throwing crap and their axes can rip shields to shreds in a moment.

Thanks, just out of curiosity if I wanted to go with an all Vaegir army, how much squishier are Vaegir Knights than Sargeants and Huscarls?

 

[Articulo34]

Thanks, just out of curiosity if I wanted to go with an all Vaegir army, how much squishier are Vaegir Knights than Sargeants and Huscarls?

Vaegir Knights will often spawn with a twohanded Bardiche and no shield. And when they get shields those are small and less resistant.

They are good fighters, hitting hard and fast...if you can keep them alive.

EDIT: Same goes for the Guards, except they don´t get horses on the regular battlefield so they are as vulnerable there as they are on a siege.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

Thanks, just out of curiosity if I wanted to go with an all Vaegir army, how much squishier are Vaegir Knights than Sargeants and Huscarls?

Vaegir Knights will often spawn with a twohanded Bardiche and no shield. And when they get shields those are small and less resistant.

They are good fighters, hitting hard and fast...if you can keep them alive.

EDIT: Same goes for the Guards, except they don´t get horses on the regular battlefield so they are as vulnerable there as they are on a siege.

Vaegirs and Swadians are the all rounder armies, I'd say Sarranids are as well but they're too damn weak.

 

[Articulo34]

Vaegirs and Swadians are the all rounder armies, I'd say Sarranids are as well but they're too damn weak.

I don´t like Vaegirs. I hate it when I suffer too many casualties and that is a constant with them. They are the only faction I have never made an entire army of.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

Vaegirs and Swadians are the all rounder armies, I'd say Sarranids are as well but they're too damn weak.

I don´t like Vaegirs. I hate it when I suffer too many casualties and that is a constant with them. They are the only faction I have never made an entire army of.

I never play as Vaegirs or Sarranids.

 

[Farthing]

I know they are expensive, but I find in practice that Merc infantry and cavalry are very hard to kill in open battle.  I often use a line or two as my shock absorber.  They just. don't. die.

 

[Articulo34]

Merc are good gap fillers. When you need good troops and you can´t afford the time to train regulars they always answer. But on the long run they are too expensive.
What I did in my game was to eliminate the extra % they earn over regulars. So now a Hired Blade earns the same as a Rhodok or Swadian Sargent. Considering that the Hired Blade is less powerful and worse equipped I think it´s fair and now I´m more inclined to use Mercs from time to time.

 

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Swadian Knight, Swadian Sergeant, and Rhodok Crossbowmen.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

Swadian Knight, Swadian Sergeant, and Rhodok Crossbowmen.

Swadian Sergeant? I can't alter your opinion but I must say Rhodok Sergeants and Huscarls are much more effective shock troops.

 

[Queue]

I must disagree. I really like the Swadian morningstars and armour.

 

[Articulo34]

Swadian Sargeants (PS 4) don´t hit as hard as Huscarls (7) or Rhodok Sargents (6). They also carry a smaller, less resistant shield (Heavy Heater Shield). Their armor is more or less on the same level. They have less 1h proficiency (155) than Huscarls (170) but better than Rhodok Sargeants (130).

 

[Queue]

Swadian Sergeants are better then the Rhodok Sergeants for sure. Judging by armour and stats. As for the Nord Huscarls that's where more opinion comes in.  The Swadian armour is better as well as weapons. Stats wise they are outmatched though. From personal experience the Nords just get chopped down by archers or crossbowmen. And in melee the Swadian can get in faster and manage to kill them due to the fact the AI can't block for their life even on hard.

 

[Articulo34]

Swadian Sergeants are better then the Rhodok Sergeants for sure. Judging by armour and stats. As for the Nord Huscarls that's where more opinion comes in.  The Swadian armour is better as well as weapons. Stats wise they are outmatched though. From personal experience the Nords just get chopped down by archers or crossbowmen. And in melee the Swadian can get in faster and manage to kill them due to the fact the AI can't block for their life even on hard.

No way. Rhodoks have a better survival rate (thanks to their Board Shields their are almost immune against ranged troops) and they get hammers more often than the Swadians get morningstars. They also usually hit faster (even though they 1H proficiency is lower than the Swadian´s, they don´t use mixed weapons, they use either 1h or 2h) and harder (higher PS).

Their armor, as I said, is on the same level:
*Swadian Sargeants (ba = Body armor, la = Leg armor)
-Brigandine 46 ba 12 la
-Coat of Plates 52 ba 17la

*Rhodok Sargeants
-Surcoat over Mail 43 ba 14la
-Heraldic Mail with Surcoat 49 ba 17la

As you can see there is not a significant difference and the only advantage the Swadians might get is once in a while Gauntlets. But still not enough to make it a decisive factor. Also Rhodok´s armor is lighter than the Coat of Plates.

Previously I called them the underdogs of infantry because most people don´t think they really capable of fending off against Nords or Rhodoks while in fact, with a good commander they can. But in no way they are superior to the real elite infantry.

 

[brognar]

Morning stars with shields are too slow for the AI to use effectively. They also do crap damage as two handed weapons used with one hand get something like a 35% damage and speed decrease.

The very minor armour deficiency is more than worth the extra attack speed and power.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

Swadian Sergeants have those terrible spears. They just bounce straight off shields.