[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Magorian Aximand]

Why do you think Pizza made it impossible to lynch Melter? And I don't mean, what do you think was his motive for it. But rather, why are you under the impression that the reason you perceived Melter to be unlynchable was because of Pizza declaring him innocent and a no-go for lynching, ever ever ever? It's not as if Pizza had control over the other players; if Melter had been playing more like he played at the end of the day (presumably under the influence of alcohol and/or Whoopin) then and six people thought he was scummy (or hell, only 4 thought he was scummy and 2 preferred to lynch an uncertain suspect than see a no-lynch) then it could have happened regardless of Pizza.

Ah, there's a misunderstanding. I didn't meant that Pizza made it impossible for Phone to be lynched, I meant that Pizza made impossible for Pizza to pursue Phone during the day. If there's a player in the game that a wolf can't lynch, they're a problem. Killing someone else at night limits options. Clear?

That's nice because it assumes that both Pizza and Xardog will be alive, not murdered, when the wall was being written.

So it demonstrates an awareness of who the wolves won't be murdering.

... if I'm an innocent, and I think that you and Xardob are wolves, wouldn't I expect you to survive the night? Derp.



And of course I wrote the magpie poem guys. C'mon...

Nice to see that someone out there agrees with me. Here's to hoping it wasn't Phoney...

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

They have an agenda, for sure.

For example, Magorian's post looks like he wants to telegraph his votes for the next phase.

That's nice because it assumes that both Pizza and Xardog will be alive, not murdered, when the wall was being written.

So it demonstrates an awareness of who the wolves won't be murdering.

Okay, you and I are reading this thing very differently.

A Magorian-wolf would telegraph his votes for the next phase... why? So that the targets of his votes could prepare themselves and form counter-arguments?

A Magorian-wolf would, I believe, have discussed his votes for the next phase with his packmate(s) during Night and would have no need to telegraph his moves. That would just be dumb.

Here's the post thingy:

If a magpie's wings should flutter, then stop
Look to Judas and the faithful in their misery
A short drop and a sudden stop
Must be had for both dog and delivery

Say Magorian's a wolf. You think he wrote this, and that as a wolf he has knowledge of who the wolves will not be targeting for the night kill. But why would a Magorian-wolf post this? Unless he's playing one of the most elaborate head-games I've ever seen, Mag-wolf would also know that there was no chance of him being night-killed. So he's essentially set up this rhyme to encourage players to lynch Xardob or you if he's night-killed, knowing that he would never be night-killed. What would be the point?

Say Magorian is innocent. Why would he wait until night to do this? Why wouldn't he say, during twilight, "If I die tomorrow, please lynch the hell out of Xardob and Pizza"? As well, the way this post is constructed seemed intended to convey knowledge beyond that which an innocent possesses. An innocent-Magorian could not possibly know for sure that both you and Xardob are wolves, even if you were. He could make a strong guess, and if he was the Seer he could implicate the one of you he scanned last night; but why name the both of you? One night = one scan, and since this is a standard game I have no reason to believe MaHuD would change that.

The third alternative is that a wolf wrote this, which would attempt to frame you and/or Xardob if an innocent-Mag was night-killed.

Fourth alternative is that it was written by a bad villager.

Fifth alternative is that Xardob wrote it to mess with our heads. He's crazy enough to do that 

 

[Xardob]

It wasn't me, but now I wish I had written something like "Xardob is a wolf".

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

It wasn't me, but now I wish I had written something like "Xardob is a wolf".

I would laugh so much if everybody wrote that on the wall tomorrow.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Llandy, I just said I wrote that.

Can't be a seer claim, because a Seer would receive their info at the end of the night. Earliest we can see seer info on the wall is last night's info on tomorrow's wall.

I didn't say that during twilight because, while I suspected Xardob and Pizza yesterday, it was Kronic's role that essentially confirmed my suspicion due to the logic I've advanced today and is suggested in the poem. "Judas and the faithful" being Xardob (betrayer) and Pizza (who argued Kronic was a special). I can't suggest that Xardob and Pizza behaved this way towards a packmate without knowing that Kronic was a wolf.

 

[Xardob]

Is there anything more to your case against me besides me being Kronic's packmate?

Also, would Kronic flipping innocent change your opinion on me in any way?

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Is there anything more to your case against me besides me being Kronic's packmate?

The packmate behavior is a strong piece of the case against you, but what I argued on day one still applies. I'll be responding to the essential points of your large response when time allows. That and Llandy's meta I promised to analyze are my priorities.

Also, would Kronic flipping innocent change your opinion on me in any way?

It would have, yes. Your possible packmate behavior with Kronic was fully half my case on day one, and that suspicion has only been compounded with the revelation that Kronic is a wolf. Had Kronic turned out to be innocent, none of that logic makes sense anymore.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Llandy, I just said I wrote that.

Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Nope.

 

[Adaham]

So, how many of you guys are actually still thinking Xardob is a wolf? Because if there's enough backing for that, I'll gladly pick up my "case" from yesterday.

 

[Xardob]

You would be the fourth. Then you'd only need the final wolf to hop on the bandwagon.

 

[Adaham]

Is that a wink at your packie to sacrifice you if need be? 

 

[FrisianDude]

Xardob is innocent imo. Unfortunately, I'm starting to think Magorian is too.

 

[Vieira151]

Xardob is innocent imo. Unfortunately, I'm starting to think Magorian is too.

What makes you think these?

 

[Vieira151]

Also, I've never really seen Xardob as a wolf, no matter how much he tries, this game. Apart from that one time I got a stupid packmate theory in my head, but that was really a random train of thought.

Nothing of Magorian's has... seemed off to me the last couple of pages, much as I am loathe to admit. The suspicion I mentioned earlier today still remains, but there hasn't been much to add. Granted, I haven't done much of an in-depth read back, but still.

Frisian is playing very Frisian. He has done little pushing a probing that I can recall, but he does chime in with his thoughts.

Pizza, well, I've struggled to go through his train of logical thoughts and I'm having a hard time seeing his side. Maybe it's because of my relative lack of experience, and my probable inoffensive nature. It's hard to tell what he is because I feel I'm constantly misinterpreting what he says. 

I forgot about Hawk but then saw his post looking at the last page. I want more from him - I want to see what his suspicions are made of.

Adaham I'm getting increased suspicion of.

Sootshade, well, I dunno. Had him suspicious for a while but he just hasn't stood out for me. And the fact he had his vote on Kronic for so long just doesn't seem like something a packmate would do. I dunno. 

Llandy could be a wolf, but I wouldn't be able to tell, frankly. My mind is stumped, but my gut says not suspicious. But we all know how that turned out last time I had that kind of feeling.

 

[Troll]

Adaham I'm getting increased suspicion of.

Good, because that's the place to vote. And since it's the only suspicion you presented without a "but", you might as well do so now. It's time to get started on this wagon.

You would be the fourth. Then you'd only need the final wolf to hop on the bandwagon.

I'm pretty sure Adaham would be the second wolf on there. Let's lynch him first instead.

Xardob is innocent imo. Unfortunately, I'm starting to think Magorian is too.

Yeah, so are most people in the game. I'm sure you can figure out by now who's pointing fingers at most of them, and what you should do about him.

 

[Xardob]

Is that a wink at your packie to sacrifice you if need be? 

Please, you know me better than that.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

... if I'm an innocent, and I think that you and Xardob are wolves, wouldn't I expect you to survive the night? Derp.

Interesting, you believe you figured out the exact wolf team based on one round of play, so much so that you believe neither of us would ever be the murder.

Pretty pie in the sky thinking. That's really your most likely explanation for this game, better than 50/50 odds.

gg wp concede lol

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

They have an agenda, for sure.

For example, Magorian's post looks like he wants to telegraph his votes for the next phase.

That's nice because it assumes that both Pizza and Xardog will be alive, not murdered, when the wall was being written.

So it demonstrates an awareness of who the wolves won't be murdering.

Okay, you and I are reading this thing very differently.

A Magorian-wolf would telegraph his votes for the next phase... why? So that the targets of his votes could prepare themselves and form counter-arguments?

Don't even have to read the rest.

"Because Magorian-villager would" explains how his behavior is formulated here.

All you have to do is take your entire argument after this part, crumple it up, and replace it with Magorian the villager would do X, and therefore that is his sole motivation for doing so when Magorian is the wolf.

Any notions that it would make things more difficult for him are lol worthy. That's the idea. It's wifom.

There's no real point to posting it as a villager either. He made it clear who he suspected before he died.

That is an agenda-driven wall post.

Wolves have agendas.

Villagers sometimes do, because they're willful and stubborn.

Probably why one of us is a villager here.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will say this: Capping Xardob without using more time to decide that would be the same as claiming wolf IMO.

Leave further votes alone, just tell me if you're on board with it later.