[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel you on Soot and Hawk.

Hawk looks worse particularly if Magorian is a villager, which I don't know.

Soot is the wolf that is the hardest to find, if Soot is a wolf.

 

[Vieira151]

No other option? If I were a packmate of his, I could have placed my vote on him at any other point and be under much less suspicion than I am now, since it was clear that Kronic was the only one with much of a chance of being lynched, unless something radically changed near the end. The chances were very, very slim unless someone, myself included, attempted to change it up at the end. And nobody did. I don't think it makes much sense that I wouldn't put a vote on Kronic, or anyone else, in the hope of something changing during the time I was not voting - if I were a wolf.

The thing is, the three of us you mentioned (me, Melter, Mags) were willing to vote Eli because he was not only a compromise for all of us, but we also thought he was rather suspicious. By your own admission, you thought Eli was innocent. Fortunately you were wrong, but the way you were trying to follow the three of us into voting didn't sit right with me yesterday and I suspect was the reason Melter was toying with you to see if you would vote Eli without him in case Eli turned up innocent. Now it's sitting with me the wrong way because it feels almost like an "I dare you three to vote him, and then I will too" reverse psychology sort of way to discourage us from voting him at all. Especially since you had preferred targets.

And if you yourself thought other people (eg, Soot) were more suspicious, why didn't you try to help me push more for him?

As I mentioned - it wasn't specific to the three of you. It just happened that the three of you said you'd vote, and that is what we needed. It could have been any three. Fortunately my gut was wrong, yes. I mentioned during the day that I felt his posts contained suspicious material (as pointed out many times) but I just got the idea of an innocent who got bogged down in catching up, and couldn't find the motivation to do so. That gut read was apparently wrong, and I concede that. But it's left me a bit bummed and now I'm really conflicted with who I suspect and who I do not.

Perhaps it looks like it might be that in hindsight, but would it really make much sense for me to do it then as a form of reverse psychology. If you wanted him lynched, it wouldn't have mattered when I said I would vote him. You (plural) would only have not voted if you didn't really want him lynched, thus ensuring I would not have voted. He was the prime lynch target and there weren't enough people willing to switch to the other targets - the inactives didn't help, unfortunately.

As for Soot, I don't know. If I could remember my though processes, I would, but it probably just comes down to not being entirely confident in my case or my ability to persuade. I just don't think I felt capable of bringing the players I know were needed over to the Soot train - especially considering you had made the bulk of the case on him.

You don't get credit for delaying the lynch of a wolf, then lynching him.

Guess I won't bother pushing for your lynch today, then. 



My vote is staying where it is right now for the time being. Otherwise, I'd say I'm suspicious of Magorian and Adaham, with Soot in third.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

We can stop being suspicious of Magorian if we're not going to vote him today.

Delaying his lynch and then lynching him reeks of trying to get credit for bussing him and then winning the game, or getting a villager mislynched at the correct moment.

If Mags is a villager, lynching him yesterday would have been, no offense to magorian, no biggie. Like me.

You can handle the loss of either of us. But that's when it would have been villagery to resolve.

With the death of a wolf, it again becomes no biggie if either of us is mislynched today.

But today is the last day it's villagery to resolve either Magorian or myself.

You don't lynch either one after today.

If you think I'm a wolf you need to prove it now, and stop wasting time. As a villager you need to see my card, and then move on.

Magorian.

If you're a villager this is when you resolve our sexual tension so to speak, right now, when I'm looking wolfy enough to lynch.

Don't let me mislynch someone and then mislynch me and go well, he needed to be the lynch anyway.

Wolves will be all over that, and it will win them the game.

And Magorian, given the stubbornness to lynch him yesterday and the same today, is not a good lynch later.

That means it is tactically advantageous to the wolves to lynch him later. Even if he is one.

You lynch him today or you don't, you lynch me today, or you don't.

I'll discuss people outside of our thunderdome between me and Magorian- but if he and I are villagers this is the final day to make a mislynch happen there.

So wolves need to put their cards on the table and push one of those mislynches today.

Otherwise I'm not really listening to suspicion on Magorian. If there was real suspicion it should have been voiced last day phase.

 

[Vieira151]

Otherwise I'm not really listening to suspicion on Magorian. If there was real suspicion it should have been voiced last day phase.

Are you implying suspicions and feelings of players can't evolve over the course of the game?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

What happens Day Three onward is I probably never mention Magorian again, other than to discuss his suspects with him.

At that point it will be clear to me that the 10 percent scenario is the case, and/or I am quite comfortable helping him mislynch the entire village one by one if he is still a wolf and alive D3. I would also chortle with glee if I were his first lynch victim at that point, because that would be entertainment at its finest.

Why is because unless his partner is snagged, lynching him later will be a bit too late. If he is alive and his partner is also alive, by the time his lynch occurs, village will have mislynched more and village will be brain-drained and order of operations effects start to happen, and his partner is really difficult to locate whether he is lynched or not.

It is winnable if, say, we do lynch his partner blind and he keeps on living to final 3. Then yeah, he would be an obvious lynch.

But I don't see the game rolling that way unless wolves want to lose. They'd bus magorian at some point, theatrically, when it suited them the most.

Today, however, there's but one person who would look villagery as a result of a wolf magpie lynch, and that's pizza.

Everyone else would be late to that wagon. And Pizza's a villager. So there's zero benefit to the wolf team to lynch Magorian today.

And of course... if he's a villager, mislynching him sooner rather than later on would also be bad news for the wolves.

I say the cards need to come down on magorian today or they never do.

You're losing a Magorian vote tomorrow, whether I live or die.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Otherwise I'm not really listening to suspicion on Magorian. If there was real suspicion it should have been voiced last day phase.

Are you implying suspicions and feelings of players can't evolve over the course of the game?

I'm saying the window is closing, and if you're not willing to place your bet on Magorian Aximand now, don't bother.

I find you wolfy for suggesting his name in a cluster of three as a possible eventual lynch. What's your story as to why he needs to be lynched? Why is he wolfy now?

And this question of yours where you put words in my mouth, sounds quite agenda-driven.

Show me otherwise, or be my vote.

Vote: Vieira

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Rant

/Llandy-mode (and Adaham-mode)

Good show. I give you 9/10 for composition, 8.5/10 for sympatheticness, 6.5/10 for annoyedness (I wasn't feeling it as much as I could have done) and an overall score of 8.5/10 for effort.

Know what's weird? I've actually had a knee injury on my left knee for several years. Perhaps we are slowly merging into one another!

Or not so slowly... 



Will read those latest Pizza-posts later, I got some Trek to watch.

 

[Vieira151]

Otherwise I'm not really listening to suspicion on Magorian. If there was real suspicion it should have been voiced last day phase.

Are you implying suspicions and feelings of players can't evolve over the course of the game?

I'm saying the window is closing, and if you're not willing to place your bet on Magorian Aximand now, don't bother.

I find you wolfy for suggesting his name in a cluster of three as a possible eventual lynch. What's your story as to why he needs to be lynched? Why is he wolfy now?

And this question of yours where you put words in my mouth, sounds quite agenda-driven.

Show me otherwise, or be my vote.

Vote: Vieira

Needs to be lynched? I can't think of anyone who needs to be lynched. I don't know who needs to be lynched. I'm trying to figure it out. My feelings aren't strong enough on anyone right now, partly because I don't trust my gut after Day 1. I doubt I could decide on who needs lynched until the Day nears its end. I need time to think or I make rash decisions.

He is suspicious to me purely on gut feeling, and the way in which he was campaigning at the end of the day 1. It made me feel highly uneasy, but by that point it was practically impossible to lynch him. I also feel he has links with Eli, because he was one of the first to point out the problems in his posts, and because of the unease I feel towards how he ended the day, it feels like an early attempt to point out problems in Kronic's play in an attempt to get him to change his tune slightly as well as giving him the opportunity to put some space between the two of them (due to suspicions).

As for the bolded, I put words in your mouth? I never claimed you said anything. I asked you what you were implying with that statement, putting forth my interpretation. If it's wrong, then sure, fine. I'd appreciate being told what was wrong with how I interpreted that. I can't think of anything else you meant by it, but maybe I'm too stupid or something. To me, the way you worded it made it sound like a suspicion can't change - because it suggests that any suspicion today isn't real suspicion unless it was voiced yesterday ("any real suspicion would have been voiced last day"). My suspicion is much higher now than it was then. That's why I didn't voice it (and if I did suspect and voice it I can't remember) on the previous day. But because I am getting suspicious of him now, there isn't much point in voicing my suspicion because it should have been voiced yesterday otherwise it's not real suspicion, right? Or am I getting what you meant wrong? If I am, then I am confused and I have no idea what your point is besides "lynch Magorian now or I won't push him later".

Then shortly after you say today is the last chance to lynch Magorian. Cool, fine, I get that train of thought. But apparently you won't listen to suspicions of Magorian today, because suspicions should have been voiced yesterday. So I dunno. Was yesterday the last chance to lynch him, or is today?

Also, you say "real suspicion". What is the difference between normal suspicion and real suspicion?



Blargh. I'm probably too forgiving to play this game. I need to try and move away from my life's ambition of being Switzerland. 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be back after work and sleep.

 

[Xardob]

He was never surviving this game and therefore was always a lynch

Sorry, I have to disagree here. If Eli survives the first day, he survives the entire game. There's absolute zero chance we lynch him today, let alone  in a situation where we might be at a lynch or lose, unless the village becomes one happy big family.

I am an agent of chaos... etc /Joker

When I'm a wolf.

Funny, I prefer more chaos when I'm innocent. I still like chaos if I'm a wolf, but only if I'm in control of it. Otherwise, give me a nice orderly village any day of the week.

My vote is staying where it is right now for the time being. Otherwise, I'd say I'm suspicious of Magorian and Adaham, with Soot in third.

Wait, aren't you voting yourself? Let's up the pressure then.

Vote Vieira

 

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Sorry gentlemen and llandy,  I had to do some voice acting with a deadline for yesterday, I had to take care of. Besides that, I have an attention span of a hamster. =p
The wall is coming, I was almost done with the image when I left for work.
I had spoken to hawk during the night and he said he would be more active. I'll send him another prod and otherwise replace him.
Lastly I will be away from 11th of july till the 18th. I should have reception with phone though. But you never know with these forests =p

It's Canada Day. I apologize. There will 100% be something somewhat substantial and relevant by tomorrow (24 hours from now).

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Funny, I prefer more chaos when I'm innocent.

Vote Xardob

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote Xardob

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Xardob, ask me why I'm voting you, for the luls.

 

[Xardob]

 

I saw this coming from miles away.

Pizza, why are you voting me?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

I saw this coming from miles away.

Pizza, why are you voting me?

Can't tell you why. I'm Neoxardobian now.

 

[Adaham]

Can't tell you why. I'm Neoxardobian now.

High-five, Pizza! 

 

[Vieira151]

 

[FrisianDude]

Somehow this feels as if Jesus' disciples personally nailed him to the cross.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Somehow this feels as if Jesus' disciples personally nailed him to the cross.

I was never a Neoxardobist.

In other news, good news! My work-till-stupid-o'clock-on-Wednesday thing got cancelled, so now I'm less worried about being absent if it takes till almost-deadline to reach a lynch again. I still have to work till normal-o'clock, but after next week I have a full week of leave, yay!

(Sorry Adaham, didn't mean to rub it in or anything)