[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]
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Sure, but nothing was mentioned about a particular time. I'll make every effort to be available next Wednesday but hopefully we can lynch wolf #2 before then.
Man, sitting here and saying nothing deliberately and not socializing or cracking jokes deliberately or interacting with my fellow players deliberately or placing votes in a game of voting deliberately and otherwise being a gigantic party pooper deliberately....
Just leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
But I had to try it, I mean, it's all the rage these days. It's sort of like that one new sex fad you keep hearing about but then you go.... nah, that doesn't seem fun at all.
And then your friends are all like, but the book is soooooo amazing. It really gets me hot.
So you read the book and the book sucks. Your friends still insist it's just the bee's knees. And then you try it.
You get all the elaborate contraptions installed and you buy all the accessories and turn your whole bedroom into a dungeon, and then you convince some poor person to give it a try with you.
SO HOW WAS IT? Well, let me just tell you guys this:
I've had a better time. I can honestly say the random and lonely boners you get when you're 13 and sitting in class and can't do jack about it (
) were a more intimate and fulfilling experience.
I do like how Magorian used the word obvious.
You folks who list me as a wolf- why have you not been voting for me today? Especially if I was out of character inactive here while being very inactive elsewhere?
Just seems like I dunno, not real suspicion there.
Just leaves a foul taste in my mouth.
But I had to try it, I mean, it's all the rage these days. It's sort of like that one new sex fad you keep hearing about but then you go.... nah, that doesn't seem fun at all.
And then your friends are all like, but the book is soooooo amazing. It really gets me hot.
So you read the book and the book sucks. Your friends still insist it's just the bee's knees. And then you try it.
You get all the elaborate contraptions installed and you buy all the accessories and turn your whole bedroom into a dungeon, and then you convince some poor person to give it a try with you.
SO HOW WAS IT? Well, let me just tell you guys this:
I've had a better time. I can honestly say the random and lonely boners you get when you're 13 and sitting in class and can't do jack about it (
) were a more intimate and fulfilling experience.I do like how Magorian used the word obvious.
You folks who list me as a wolf- why have you not been voting for me today? Especially if I was out of character inactive here while being very inactive elsewhere?
Just seems like I dunno, not real suspicion there.
*active elsewhere
Oh and I didn't need a prod, I've been here.
Truly a lamer experience was never had.
Truly a lamer experience was never had.
So if I spent.... let's say ten minutes giving my reads on the game, even after the however straight many days of inactivity I've demonstrated, would I no longer be the bottom poster this round? How about the bottom contributor?
FrisianDude
Archduke
Try adding sugar. It leaves a bitter taste and I happen to like bitter. Chocolate is better when it's darker, good coffee I drink black and I love espressoes. I like the bitter taste.
no but srsly it's in no way intentional. At least not on my part. Good to see both yous back though, Pizza & Pharaoh.
no but srsly it's in no way intentional. At least not on my part. Good to see both yous back though, Pizza & Pharaoh.
FrisianDude
Archduke
depends what you mean with bottom poster and bottom contributor, I guess. I'm not entirely familiar with the terms though perhaps I've flirted with their essence/Askthepizzaguy 说:
I trust my point has been made.
Read: Eli was voted for credit by his wolf buddies. And let me tell you this- I'd have voted him if I were his wolf buddy.
In my very first game that I was a wolf, I bussed the ever living Ampersand At-symbol Percentage symbol Dollar sign out of my one and only partner in a game filled with doctors and detectives purely out of spite because he never showed up to the game. When he was replaced, our team won, because for some reason that Dollar sign Hashtag Exclamation Ampersand is convincing to people.
And as recently as last month I hardcore bussed both of my remaining wolf partners back to back with a deliberate no-murder in between while I was given an item that allowed me to kill through protection and the town doctor was outed.
Bussing is a thing, and it's basically a requirement in that situation.
Well, I wasn't Eli's partner. I explained he seemed cagey like he was someone who didn't know how to handle the role he randed, felt like it would give more information if I didn't join the consensus on him.
I was a Contrarian to-the Maximand because it was more informative to me, and everyone else in this game, to not suggest hey, let's waste day one capping an inactive who is consensus wolf.
We still don't know with precision who his buddies are and I can see from the productive discussion today that what I predicted about that, is very much the case.
He was never surviving this game and therefore was always a lynch, and although there is a theory which at least one of your players subscribes to which says that the village points are not worth the dead packmate, he was getting lynched that round. Might as well cap him since he was consensus.
Well I didn't and that tells you something about me.
Just know how much I would have wrecked him on principle alone if I had been his pack mate. Just a little something you guys should know about who I am and what I'm all about.
I know it would have netted me zero village points, especially considering I was late to that particular party and everyone else was there first. But I tell ya what- it would have given me an incredibly satisfying feeling.
Like the first time that 13 year old boy goes home from class and actually does something about that uncomfortable random boner.
Read: Eli was voted for credit by his wolf buddies. And let me tell you this- I'd have voted him if I were his wolf buddy.
In my very first game that I was a wolf, I bussed the ever living Ampersand At-symbol Percentage symbol Dollar sign out of my one and only partner in a game filled with doctors and detectives purely out of spite because he never showed up to the game. When he was replaced, our team won, because for some reason that Dollar sign Hashtag Exclamation Ampersand is convincing to people.
And as recently as last month I hardcore bussed both of my remaining wolf partners back to back with a deliberate no-murder in between while I was given an item that allowed me to kill through protection and the town doctor was outed.
Bussing is a thing, and it's basically a requirement in that situation.
Well, I wasn't Eli's partner. I explained he seemed cagey like he was someone who didn't know how to handle the role he randed, felt like it would give more information if I didn't join the consensus on him.
I was a Contrarian to-the Maximand because it was more informative to me, and everyone else in this game, to not suggest hey, let's waste day one capping an inactive who is consensus wolf.
We still don't know with precision who his buddies are and I can see from the productive discussion today that what I predicted about that, is very much the case.
He was never surviving this game and therefore was always a lynch, and although there is a theory which at least one of your players subscribes to which says that the village points are not worth the dead packmate, he was getting lynched that round. Might as well cap him since he was consensus.
Well I didn't and that tells you something about me.
Just know how much I would have wrecked him on principle alone if I had been his pack mate. Just a little something you guys should know about who I am and what I'm all about.
I know it would have netted me zero village points, especially considering I was late to that particular party and everyone else was there first. But I tell ya what- it would have given me an incredibly satisfying feeling.
Like the first time that 13 year old boy goes home from class and actually does something about that uncomfortable random boner.
Be back in a little bit.
Since Magpie is never getting eaten by this village I have to consider joining Pharaoh very carefully before actually doing it since majority axe-imand is only five votes.
Since Magpie is never getting eaten by this village I have to consider joining Pharaoh very carefully before actually doing it since majority axe-imand is only five votes.
Adaham it's no biggie if you need to replace out feel free. I enjoyed the day one we had together.
I'm not sure your point has been made clearly. If I want, I could read a snipe against me into it. Which I find a wee bit disappointing. I already said in the sign-up thread that I will be inactive for a long period of time...and my trip wasn't vacation, but I worked so hard, that actually I have serious pain in my left knee since my return and I'm spending my days with my foot resting on a chair with a bandage, hoping it's not permanent damage. And since the work I do doesn't know "vacation" or "having somebody else fill in while I'm gone", it meant I had to work like crazy since I'm back to catch up so my boss doesn't forbid me in the future to take a week off to do more work elsewhere.
When I came back, it felt like I had forgotten almost everything that had been going on before. And there were 30 new pages for me to read. I was nacked, physically completely empty and everything was hurting. But I wasn't on vacation, without a break, I went right back to working 8-10 hours a day. I haven't had a free day in 3 weeks or so. I expressed my frustration with the fact I can't keep up with it. And guess what...other people, even those that are usually active and have been around for the whole time, felt similar. I check this thread several times a day during work and post small bits and pieces when I can. That's already more than most people are doing right now. And yes, I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to worry about this game right now, but as my contributions are still more regular and more content filled than some others, I guess there's little argument to be made for me to be replaced before, for instance, Hawk would get replaced.
But yeah, if you think my contribution is so terribly disappointing, I can sub out. Fine with me. Find a replacement and I'll gladly bow out.
/Llandy-mode (and Adaham-mode)
In case you didn't mean me, forget it. But when trying to figure out the hidden meaning behind your boner-classroom-analogy, I couldn't help but feel like you were complaining about my lack of effort. If that isn't the case, maybe a less cryptic way of bringing across your opinions would help.
When I came back, it felt like I had forgotten almost everything that had been going on before. And there were 30 new pages for me to read. I was nacked, physically completely empty and everything was hurting. But I wasn't on vacation, without a break, I went right back to working 8-10 hours a day. I haven't had a free day in 3 weeks or so. I expressed my frustration with the fact I can't keep up with it. And guess what...other people, even those that are usually active and have been around for the whole time, felt similar. I check this thread several times a day during work and post small bits and pieces when I can. That's already more than most people are doing right now. And yes, I wouldn't mind if I didn't have to worry about this game right now, but as my contributions are still more regular and more content filled than some others, I guess there's little argument to be made for me to be replaced before, for instance, Hawk would get replaced.
But yeah, if you think my contribution is so terribly disappointing, I can sub out. Fine with me. Find a replacement and I'll gladly bow out.
/Llandy-mode (and Adaham-mode)
In case you didn't mean me, forget it. But when trying to figure out the hidden meaning behind your boner-classroom-analogy, I couldn't help but feel like you were complaining about my lack of effort. If that isn't the case, maybe a less cryptic way of bringing across your opinions would help.
Several people have mentioned that there should be at least one wolf on the Kronic wagon. A pretty straightforward conclusion in itself, considering there's only three living people left that weren't on the wagon, and the remaining wolves wouldn't want to align themselves within that group, even if they felt inclined to keep a completely inactive packie alive. Still, it actually doesn't fit my read of the game. as all of the people that voted on Kronic I'm at least somewhat leaning innocent on. If there is a wolf on the Kronic wagon, it's Magorian or Llandy, as I've got a pretty mixed read on each of them. On the other hand, Hawk is still pretty neutral for me due to his inactivity, despite some questionable stuff. My top two suspects have got to be Adaham and Pizza, the former significantly stronger than the other. One thing worth considering is the fact that two of the people that didn't vote for Kronic (Hawk, Adaham) simply weren't around/caught up, and as such had little chance to consider how to align themselves if they are scum, and Pizza's stance on Kronic clearly didn't give him much room to jump on the wagon regardless of his role. Thus I don't really see any reason to assume there's a wolf on the wagon beyond pure numbers - it's fairly good odds that there's a wolf among a group that consists of two thirds of the village, of course.
The majority of your play yesterday were meta reads which you just planted yourself on and took root, and specifically the one you had on me was so heavily dependant on interpretation that you could have reached the same conclusion no matter what stance I ever took in this game about you; it was just a matter of how many steps of WIFOM it took. Your focus was also on what others thought about you, instead of the game at large, which indicates that you were more concerned about your own role than hunting for wolves elsewhere. The change of focus to Frisian and Vieira at the start of today is no better, and it seems to be exactly the move a wolf would make if he felt the need to shift his focus - which you apparently figured was necessary after your previous top suspects drove a lynch on a wolf. While I would expect a villager to look elsewhere, the two people you landed are too convenient. They aren't players that would fight you back for it too hard, and there's no way anyone could really deny there's a basis to suspect them - all in all they just aren't targets that many people are likely to challenge you on, while also not being the most obvious easy picking (Hawk). And yet, to me they are both players that have given so many villager tells that I can't believe an innocent would land with them as his top suspects.
Okay, I'm back. Sort of.
I'm having a difficult conversation with someone I care about IRL so it's distracting me.
I am not going to be talking in real time, I'm too preoccupied and these posts will take a while to generate. Likely they'll sit in the post reply window half-finished for a while before I continue posting them.
It is difficult to say.
Order of operations do matter, even when it comes to lynching a wolf and a villager and you always lynch a wolf and a villager.
At the time of this quoted post, Eli was not a known wolf. Now, in retrospect, there's an answer I can give.
If I am the lynch, and the wolves were on me and they were who I thought they were, they have a difficult time surviving the game.
I become clear, and Eli doesn't look good and neither do the other wolves.
But reverse the order.
Lynch Eli who is always getting lynched, and then I become lynchable without it looking bad.
Same two deaths.
SAME two deaths.
Invert the order, and now village cannot figure it out.
That's why.
Man, I busted a game wide, wide open one game when I pointed out that we were correct about two wolves, but we needed to lynch them in reverse order from the order they wanted.
The reason why was because if we did, I'd look like a total boss, and the one who was bussing would have gotten zero credit for bussing the other wolf, because he'd be dead, and flipped wolf.
Instead I was ignored and the bussing wolf survived and the bussed wolf did not.
I said they were both wolves.
What happened next was the busser wolf continued to live and was not the next lynchee.
I was murdered, and he went on to win the game, exactly as I predicted, because of the order of operations.
They really, really matter. Even if the same 2 people die.
It STILL matters. Because village can solve the game in one scenario, but they can't see it in the other.
That's why it's tough to lynch the low-hanging inactive wolf and then go on to win the game.
If it were pizza lynch yesterday, it might have screwed the whole wolf team.
With Eli being the lynch, the wolves can win.
That's how important the order of operations are. Village can't see it from the other perspective because they think in a logical pattern sometimes, and that logic is very easy to screw with when you change the order.
That's why I wreck games when I'm a wolf. Because I know these subtle little things that completely baffle villagers, and I survive games or I win games even when everyone thinks my entire wolf team is scum.
You change one little aspect and it all becomes CHAOS...
I am an agent of chaos... etc /Joker
When I'm a wolf.
And I can tell by the level of play here that your wolves are also agents of chaos.
All you do is throw Eli under the bus and even if Pizza was correct about anything, game is difficult to solve.
Pizza incorrect about Magorian, and the game becomes nigh impossible to solve.
There's literally no downside from where I sit. That lynch on Eli was elite, I have to think very carefully which wolf did it.
And if all villagers or all villagers and a wolf did it, not two, game is not solvable by looking at the vote pattern at all. We can't narrow it down in time.
More clues would be needed.
Such a dearth of information. I'm serious, even lynching me yesterday (in that specific order) might have busted the game open even though I'm a villager.
Now the wolves are more difficult to find.
Eli being a scapegoat for tomorrow would have netted them less credit than pushing him to death today.
You don't get credit for delaying the lynch of a wolf, then lynching him.
I'm having a difficult conversation with someone I care about IRL so it's distracting me.
I am not going to be talking in real time, I'm too preoccupied and these posts will take a while to generate. Likely they'll sit in the post reply window half-finished for a while before I continue posting them.
Phonemelter 说:
It is difficult to say.
Order of operations do matter, even when it comes to lynching a wolf and a villager and you always lynch a wolf and a villager.
At the time of this quoted post, Eli was not a known wolf. Now, in retrospect, there's an answer I can give.
If I am the lynch, and the wolves were on me and they were who I thought they were, they have a difficult time surviving the game.
I become clear, and Eli doesn't look good and neither do the other wolves.
But reverse the order.
Lynch Eli who is always getting lynched, and then I become lynchable without it looking bad.
Same two deaths.
SAME two deaths.
Invert the order, and now village cannot figure it out.
That's why.
Man, I busted a game wide, wide open one game when I pointed out that we were correct about two wolves, but we needed to lynch them in reverse order from the order they wanted.
The reason why was because if we did, I'd look like a total boss, and the one who was bussing would have gotten zero credit for bussing the other wolf, because he'd be dead, and flipped wolf.
Instead I was ignored and the bussing wolf survived and the bussed wolf did not.
I said they were both wolves.
What happened next was the busser wolf continued to live and was not the next lynchee.
I was murdered, and he went on to win the game, exactly as I predicted, because of the order of operations.
They really, really matter. Even if the same 2 people die.
It STILL matters. Because village can solve the game in one scenario, but they can't see it in the other.
That's why it's tough to lynch the low-hanging inactive wolf and then go on to win the game.
If it were pizza lynch yesterday, it might have screwed the whole wolf team.
With Eli being the lynch, the wolves can win.
That's how important the order of operations are. Village can't see it from the other perspective because they think in a logical pattern sometimes, and that logic is very easy to screw with when you change the order.
That's why I wreck games when I'm a wolf. Because I know these subtle little things that completely baffle villagers, and I survive games or I win games even when everyone thinks my entire wolf team is scum.
You change one little aspect and it all becomes CHAOS...
I am an agent of chaos... etc /Joker
When I'm a wolf.
And I can tell by the level of play here that your wolves are also agents of chaos.
All you do is throw Eli under the bus and even if Pizza was correct about anything, game is difficult to solve.
Pizza incorrect about Magorian, and the game becomes nigh impossible to solve.
There's literally no downside from where I sit. That lynch on Eli was elite, I have to think very carefully which wolf did it.
And if all villagers or all villagers and a wolf did it, not two, game is not solvable by looking at the vote pattern at all. We can't narrow it down in time.
More clues would be needed.
Such a dearth of information. I'm serious, even lynching me yesterday (in that specific order) might have busted the game open even though I'm a villager.
Now the wolves are more difficult to find.
Eli being a scapegoat for tomorrow would have netted them less credit than pushing him to death today.
You don't get credit for delaying the lynch of a wolf, then lynching him.
Adaham 说:
Yeah I wasn't referring to you or even anyone specific. Just frustrated about the idea of doing it deliberately in general.
Even when discussing the matter on Eli, I mentioned that if he's got RL reasons, ignore everything I said-
And if for example it was a legitimate deliberate strat, don't take it to heart too much because... it is just a game. It's more or less simply negative feedback to be absorbed and dealt with as one wishes.
You Adaham I've had loads of fun playing with and I was serious- I had fun playing with you Day One and I'm grateful for the contributions you've made.
You can sub out if you need to and are only playing because I wanted to play with you. You've done me a solid.
Hug, bro.
So to clarify it's not a snipe against even the living players who didn't contribute that much this round.
Just an ask... a plea, really
Please don't do it deliberately. I just did, to make a statement. Maybe it was a poorly phrased or chosen statement, but it's still one I wanted to make.
Besides, seems like the thread could have used a pizza break. A number of players exhausted from D1.
Just an ask... a plea, really
Please don't do it deliberately. I just did, to make a statement. Maybe it was a poorly phrased or chosen statement, but it's still one I wanted to make.
Besides, seems like the thread could have used a pizza break. A number of players exhausted from D1.
Askthepizzaguy 说:
Moi?
What do you mean by joining me? Getting back onboard with my case against Soot (whom I've seen zero reason to change my opinion on since Day 2 started). Right now I'm feeling how you probably felt when trying to get everyone to see how scummy you think Magorian is. The feeling can most eloquently be summed up with an image.
Soot's still my #1, but working on the premise that MaHuD would follow the standard numbers for a game of this size and give us three wolves, I'm now looking at prospects for the third packmate. Consequently my vote is on Hawk (and I don't care how "obviously easy" Soot thinks that is; I have serious and valid concerns about Hawk now which I can no longer put off to try and give him the benefit of the doubt). Sometimes the 'obviously easy' choice is the correct one. Therefore, my vote's currently on Hawk.
Is that where you want to join me?
