[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Since I went to the trouble of digging up this meta I expect you to read every single line of it.

You don't make your packmate your number one on day one all day long.

Keeping aside from the fact that, allegedly, Adaham was actually Soot’s #1 yesterday (Soot just conveniently didn’t bother trying to push for him), I would like to introduce you to what I call “Eternal Counterargument #2: ‘Wolves don’t do this?’ Oh yes they do.”

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In other news the Twinkle wolf seems to be less confident about being involved in an early lynch (of a teammate?) than the Ej wolf. Well, I wouldn't be surprised by the latter's votes in any world, but I'm thinking Twinkle's hesitation here really is telling.

Vote: Twinkle/Ej

If I wasn't able to go on huge meta tangents in my mind regarding you I'd already just assume you were his packmate based on how scared you are of getting lynched, but admittedly it's not quite clear yet. I can't think of anyone else to really connect with Twinkle and Ej yet, though.

Right, I suppose that's the benefit I have in not being directly involved - I assume you mean Adaham, whom I think is the most likely innocent at this point.

But hey, since you love speculation, tell me this: If Ej/Twinkle is a wolf, who's the packmate?

Aside yourself, I'd say Vieira/Hawk fits pretty well, with how Vieira acted with their vote, retracting very quickly after a push, but I'm not quite sure that both wolves would have jumped on this so bravely in the first place. Mag/Eternal and Lep/Gerry also could fit, but I can't think of a real connection yet.

I'd hoped that their blatant wishy washyness on the vote would have stuck out to you as the recipient and that that would have given you a different perspective on possible connections. Aside that, I'm not really struggling, as you fit pretty well, but I want to determine a secondary possibility because I'm not as certain about you as I'm of Twinkle. And in general, anything to help me determine if you are connected. 

I think you are a likely packmate to them, but I'm not certain. Thus I want you to keep talking about the them, to help me determine if I was correct. It's also silly to think that the only way that goal would have been served would have been you agreeing with me, as I think it's just as telling that you are distinctly avoiding talking about him, especially combined with the logic you are applying here.

Even if you are not avoiding talking about them, to me you seem to be quite overreacting to me asking for your opinion, be as it may that I had other motives regarding doing so. Yes, I understand that you don't form strong opinions about others as fast as I do in this game, but you aren't forced to present a strong opinion when I simply asked you to give the most likely option. If you don't want to do that, also fine, but at this point I'm getting the feeling that it's you trying to put a wolfy spin on everything I'm saying.

Uh, kneejerk reaction right about now.

But well, the reason to start with was purely that you make sense as the packmate based on Twinkle's behaviour.

To be honest, it's largely meta regarding how I believe Ej plays, and this is just exactly the kind of stuff he'd pull regardless of whether his teammate would like it.

2) I didn't retract anything. I named a couple of teams that I could connect to Twinkle/Ej, but I was only presenting them out of completeness, to demonstrate that they were still within my considerations, and the case on that hasn't changed since then.

I think anyone aside Adaham/Snoopy is a potential packmate for Twinkle/Ej, but I acknowledge that this is something that one maybe would take for granted and is a such maybe not necessary to mention. That's it, done rewording it.

Massive WoT on why Twinkle/ejnomad are totes wolves you guys

That kinda settles it. Aside Ej/Twinkle, Lep just made it to the list of lynchable people by yet again purposefully misinterpreting an argument. Llandy/Face I was considering for it, but at this point it would mostly be based on their relation to Twinkle/Ej, so I have no reason to go to them first.

This is starting to get annoying. At this point it seems the two of you are ignoring the blatant lack of scum hunting on Twinkle/Ej's part simply because Twinkle happened to align himself with the two of you in the early arguments and because on the surface that seems to match his play in a previous game, even if I'm generous and assume it's not outright denying everything that Adaham happens to think. In the last game it was everyone else dragging him back to quote wars about his 'defence' of Llandy, even though that was all in fact an attack on people's arguments against her, and he was in fact actively engaging others even while doing so. Here, on the other hand, he's perfectly comfortable just sitting in your shadow and passively answering to others trying to engage him, and not doing a thing actively.

Similar case for Ej. He doesn't appear to give any more or less of a **** about how others view him than in the last game, but the difference is in the fact that he's also not actively hunting, unless you count his lazy snipes at everyone, which just shows that this time he doesn't give a **** about killing the wolves either. 

How about both of you review what you wrote, and just appreciate the fact that none of those four short paragraphs contain a ****ing word about anything resembling a hunt. Hell, at this point I don't think I can entertain the possibility of you being packies, because this is just too damn blatant. Going to have to assume it's Lep and Gerry, I guess.

In Ej's case I could sort of accept this in the light of his last game also being very light on posts early on. However, here he's exclusively answering, and not engaging, which is the crucial differentation, because the last game it was pretty much the exact opposite.

People who have gained my suspicion this quickly and strongly have been wolves 100% of the time, which matters a whole lot more than a vague general statement to me.

The difference is in the word genuine. Wolves will always have to twist the thought in some way that will make it less so.

You know, this is a really good point. I'm going to have to detour to rereading her posts before I get back to lynching Ej/Twinkle.

At this point I've just decided that lynching a wolf is what is relevant and thus what I'm going to put my efforts towards, and being that you two are essentially handling the defence in place of Twinkle/Ej while one of them is absent and the other just occasionally snipes back, it seems that the best thing I can do right now is to hammer it through to you first.

If I can't get an Ej/Twinkle or Lep/Gerry lynch, you would be my next choice.

I wish you were talking, not feeling hugely motivated myself to get things started. Anyways, if 'sparkling avatar twins' refers to Twinkle and Ej... Sure, let's just go with that and lynch them first. I was going to make a case on Lep and Gerry, but I can do that tomorrow too.

I consider it a matter of pride calling out at least one wolf in one of my first posts. That might mean calling out a packie, admittedly.

The first large text sentence is Soot once more accusing me of putting a wolfy spin on everything he says. It is something he does when he is a wolf and when I point out his wolfiness.

The second larger text sentence is Soot himself admitting that he's quite happy to point the finger at a packmate.

Everything in between is evidence that your statement at the start of this post is untrue. Wolves don't put their packmate as #1 all day on day one? Most wolves don't, no. But Soot does.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

You were balanced with the Pizza lynch which Xardob joined first, and he only switched to Kronic when Llandy gave up on you and your lynch became essentially impossible.

What? From what I remember, Xardob was always on the Eli lynch. He switched to Pizza to try and blackmail Pizza into voting for Eli instead. And Soot's lynch would not have been impossible if Pizza had shown up to put his vote back on Soot instead of you.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

If the player who said they were done contributing for the day showed back up and added his vote to a lynch that depended on another player who changed votes and said they won't be back before the deadline?

 

[Magorian Aximand]

I will read the meta and give it fair consideration. Cross my heart. Right now the wife is in control, and I must leave.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

If the player who said they were done contributing for the day showed back up and added his vote to a lynch that depended on another player who changed votes and said they won't be back before the deadline?

I didn't know that Pizza was "done for the day", I took his post to mean that he was done with contributory discussion but would probably be around to change his vote if necessary. I do not expect any player to quit doing anything, even voting, in the run up to deadline, unless like Adaham they have given apologies in advance for being absent due to travelling.

But why did you pick on that part of my post to comment about, and not the subject of Xardob blackmailing Pizza for a vote on Eli?

 

[Xardob]

... you mean you don't see wolfy Xardob selling out a completely absent packy for villager points at the end of the day after defending and bussing him most of the day prior?

I certainly don't. The villager points are never worth the dead packy.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

I need a break from this place, back at the end of next week probably.

Don't bother trying to PM me, I disabled them.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

 

[Phonemelter]

Ooo, tag me in, tag me in!

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Wouldn't be fair to Pizza. After all, he just went through the trouble of killing you off because he made it impossible to lynch you during the day.

 

[Adaham]

I need a break from this place, back at the end of next week probably.

Don't bother trying to PM me, I disabled them.

Gosh...and I thought I was burned out from WW... 

Have fun in reality. Give it my regards!

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Less about the game, I think, and more about people giving her **** for actually giving effort while playing a game. It's one thing to ask for some balance or brevity, and something else to say, "God Llandy, I don't want to read your **** anymore."

I'm paraphrasing, of course, but that's the gist of the Resistance game right now.

 

[Adaham]

Oh yes, that's not nice. I hope she never mistook any request of mine for brevity in a personal way. I do appreciate her effort a lot.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Ditto.

 

[FrisianDude]

ever so slightly inebriated right now. Oh well. Also apologies for lacktivity again. Haven't done all that much computering this weekend. Schoolproblems seem over as the resit I had to do went from 4 to 7,2 out of ten and is therefore no longer a problem. Almost finished completely for this year.

Kronic's guilty roll required quite some rethinking on my part as I really thought he wasn't evil but well there he was. And I wasn't quite sure about Melter and then he turned out innocent. Go me. 

I need a break from this place, back at the end of next week probably.

Don't bother trying to PM me, I disabled them.

Whoopin why the **** do you keep posting here when you're not in the game?
Actually please don't answer that. At least not in this game.

imma need a sleep and a rethink, mainly on Phonemolten interactions.

 

[FrisianDude]

That's not even the right 'roll', I meant 'role'.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

You should leave a vote for Xardob while you're here. I'll make some use of it for you.

 

[FrisianDude]

No, Xardob is still innocent and your 'wee random target'-push is rather fishy.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

... random?

 

[Adaham]

Actually, Whoopin posting here is the least of the problems this game has. Just sayin'...