[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Adaham]

Yes, that is true. But having 50% active hints at the fact the other 50% weren't all that active (or even completely absent). Also, that was a thing hard to predict. Anyhoo, no point in discussing the day 1 deadline of Black Death here. I think we agree it would help this current game to have a deadline.

 

[Troll]

Hey guys, just letting you know I'm feeling really burned out. It's hard for me to find the motivation to...you know...do the stuff you would expect me to do. I'm even too tired to crack stupid jokes and I definitely need a break after this game. Basically I think I guilt-tripped myself into this game because Pizza wanted to play with me, but yeah...I could really use a break.

That's definitely something I can relate to, right now. I really need to take a break before I have my own game to host.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

If you guys want a break from endless walls of text, you could just vote for Xardob with me and save us all the trouble.

But in all seriousness, I'm in much the same boat. And we can impose the solution as players. I tried to make that happen with quick deadlines in my game (I'd like to say with some success!), but we don't need moderator imposed deadlines to manage that. We can agree to make our posts manageable in size and quantity, and essentially set our own deadlines by being willing to vote without one.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

If you guys want a break from endless walls of text, you could just vote for Xardob with me and save us all the trouble.

Better yet, vote Soot with me and I won't have to WoT again.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

But he's not a wolf and Xardob is. Xardob tried to explain away clear wolf behavior from Kronic, then halfheartedly voted for Kronic, and then sold out his packmate when it became clear he was dead weight and gained some villager points. Textbook. Also that nonsense about other suspects being the ultimate back door? He's BSing. He's a wolf.

Pizza also displayed clear packmate behavior. He didn't form an opinion on Kronic early, he asked what everyone thought. Tested the water on his packmate. When it didn't look good, he came up with the absurd notion that Kronic was a special and tried to push that idea to protect his failing packy.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Soot also pushed for a Kronic lynch all day long. Kronic was in his top two suspects and was the defacto number one with Adaham's lynch infeasibility. Not packmate behavior. Period.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Vote: Xardob

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Vote: Xardob

Interesting.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

... interesting that I'd vote for a player I think is a wolf when I just advocated voting freely to shorten the days ourselves?

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

... interesting that I'd vote for a player I think is a wolf when I just advocated voting freely to shorten the days ourselves?

Interesting that you have described Xardob's (and Pizza's) behaviour as obviously wolfy and clear packmate behaviour, whilst Pizza thinks that you are obvious wolf, and I think Soot is obvious wolf. Obviously, we can't all be right.

As well, I learnt the hard way last game that sometimes what is obvious packmate behaviour is just accidental innocent behaviour.

From what I was reading, Xardob was doing a lot to get Eli lynched. He was doing much more than Soot, because he was bargaining, and bribing, and blackmailing players into voting for Eli. I really don't see a wolfy Xardob bribing and blackmailing players into lynching his packmate.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

... you mean you don't see wolfy Xardob selling out a completely absent packy for villager points at the end of the day after defending and bussing him most of the day prior? When Soot was actually arguing for Kronic's wolfiness all day in the normal channels? There's a big difference there.


C'mon Mags, don't be Dodes, don't be Dodes, don't do it...

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

... you mean you don't see wolfy Xardob selling out a completely absent packy for villager points at the end of the day after defending and bussing him most of the day prior?

I do not. Because wolfy Xardob knows that after Day 2, absent/lurky players tend to be lynched a lot less than active/vocal players. When I was a Crazy Panda with Xardob and Frisian, and people started to look at Frisian on early Day 1, Xardob's advice was for Frisian to try to lay low (but not too low) and to "just be less suspicious than the other lurky/suspicious players." Therefore I believe that if Xardob were packmate with Eli he would have tried to keep Eli alive knowing that if he got past Day 2 he'd stand a good chance.

Xardob's "lynch a lurker" stance in this game seems to be counter to what I have seen of his scum play so far.

Additionally, why would Xardob need to bus a packmate for villager points? Who was actually willing to vote for him? You yourself made a case against him with the caveat "but I still wouldn't lynch him on Day 1" and I don't recall any of the active players being very suspicious of him or anybody being ready to make a serious push against him.

Now, if Xardob had been a serious contender for the Day 1 lynch, then yeah, you'd have a point about bussing an absent packmate to win some brownie points.

Eli is a wolf, yea, nay?

Yea. Also Adaham and Hawk.

I'll elaborate tomorrow. Right now I've got a headache.

Witness the total lack of making a case on Eli until he had pretty much disappeared and Soot had picked up some hefty suspicion of his own.

 

[Troll]

But he's not a wolf and Xardob is. Xardob tried to explain away clear wolf behavior from Kronic, then halfheartedly voted for Kronic, and then sold out his packmate when it became clear he was dead weight and gained some villager points. Textbook. Also that nonsense about other suspects being the ultimate back door? He's BSing. He's a wolf.

Pizza also displayed clear packmate behavior. He didn't form an opinion on Kronic early, he asked what everyone thought. Tested the water on his packmate. When it didn't look good, he came up with the absurd notion that Kronic was a special and tried to push that idea to protect his failing packy.

I'm pretty sure a wolf Xardob would have nailed me instead of Kronic in that scenario. At least that's the conclusion I ended up with by the end of yesterday.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

You don't make your packmate your number one on day one all day long.

You and I are using the word "bussing" differently.

But he's not a wolf and Xardob is. Xardob tried to explain away clear wolf behavior from Kronic, then halfheartedly voted for Kronic, and then sold out his packmate when it became clear he was dead weight and gained some villager points. Textbook. Also that nonsense about other suspects being the ultimate back door? He's BSing. He's a wolf.

Pizza also displayed clear packmate behavior. He didn't form an opinion on Kronic early, he asked what everyone thought. Tested the water on his packmate. When it didn't look good, he came up with the absurd notion that Kronic was a special and tried to push that idea to protect his failing packy.

I'm pretty sure a wolf Xardob would have nailed me instead of Kronic in that scenario. At least that's the conclusion I ended up with by the end of yesterday.

Huh? Xardob would have killed you to get points with the village...?

 

[Troll]

No. He would have killed me to avoid a Pizza lynch.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

And miss out on villager points for dead weight packy. When it wasn't clear you had enough votes for a lynch because you were too far down most people's compromise list.

 

[Troll]

As far as I recall, I had four votes on me and Pizza willing to put down the fifth at the time he joined up with me to lynch Kronic. I was definitely reading it as a situation where he could have guaranteed the lynch on me. Not to say that he wouldn't get rid of a packy like Kronic, but that wouldn't have been necessary.

 

[Adaham]

Forgive me for interrupting, but why isn't pizza an option then?

I mean, not that I wouldn't like to pick up my Xardob suspicion of earlier again. It's really tempting. And since Mags and I became photo-buddies, I listen more to him than does me any good, but yeah...

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

@Magorian

You are a player who appreciates meta, right?

 

[Magorian Aximand]

As far as I recall, I had four votes on me and Pizza willing to put down the fifth at the time he joined up with me to lynch Kronic. I was definitely reading it as a situation where he could have guaranteed the lynch on me. Not to say that he wouldn't get rid of a packy like Kronic, but that wouldn't have been necessary.

You were balanced with the Pizza lynch which Xardob joined first, and he only switched to Kronic when Llandy gave up on you and your lynch became essentially impossible.

Forgive me for interrupting, but why isn't pizza an option then?

I mean, not that I wouldn't like to pick up my Xardob suspicion of earlier again. It's really tempting. And since Mags and I became photo-buddies, I listen more to him than does me any good, but yeah...

Pizza is an option. I listed them both as wolves, remember?

@Magorian

You are a player who appreciates meta, right?

We all know that's a yes. Just make the point.