Should I be more suspicious of you this game? 
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Such a wolfish smiley.
Phonemelter 说:
Phonemelter 说:
Phonemelter 说:
Phonemelter 说:
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Phonemelter 说:
You know, I think Xardob has been a bad influence on you. I actually had flashbacks to his Team Crazy Panda day 2 voting madness whilst looking at your past couple of days' voting.
Shame on you, Xardob; you let Melter surpass you. Your Panda Packmates are disappointed
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
Not Xardob - Whoopin. All part of my Masterplan.
No, Xardob. I specifically remember Ativan's "WTF Xardob??? "
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Soot and Magorian both had more vote changes than Xardob that day.
It's not the number of changes, it's the frequency and randomness.
Mine were not random though. Seemingly random, maybe, but not without reason.
What possible reason could you have for voting 7 people in 4 days? And one of them twice? And half of them with no real chance of actually achieving a lynch?
The last two were clearly jokes and not serious. And are you really saying that Pizza, Kronic, and Magorian had no chances of getting lynched? Pizza and Kronic were highly probable, and there was potentially a chance for Magorian, though a bit harder to tell because he got mostly ignored later on. The only person I voted for who was not likely to get lynched was you.
And why are you calling just me out for this and not also Xardob, who more or less did the same?
Phonemelter 说:
Your "clear jokes" could have cost us a no-lynch, unless you were just toying with Vieira and ready to actually vote Eli at the last minute if Vieira didn't.
Phonemelter 说:
Because Xardob made it clear where his suspicions lay and where he was going to vote, and as soon as it seemed there was a real chance at getting his #1 suspect lynched he stopped messing around with his vote and committed to a lynch.
Also, this is not out of character for Xardob. But you? Considerably so. The only time I have seen you so frivolous with your voting was when you were trying to help Magorian lynch himself in Dwarf Fondle.
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
No **** I was just toying with Vieira.
His voting was for clear reasons?
Xardob 说:
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Xardob 说:
...sure. He also was voting Pizza even though he thought he was innocent, potentially moreso than Soot (he was not too clear on Soot there). You think this is "clear suspicion?"
Not out of character for Xardob... as a wolf.
Maybe my voting was more "out of character" this game, but I was equally erratic in the Deathfondle game when it came to the end of the way in terms of my "contributions." Much like everyone else, I am trying different things for reasons. Plus I got bored because too many people put me down as innocent - figured I would see if I could create some chaos that might throw the wolves for a loop and see how people were going to turn the tide when I kept the vote counts rather even while I was still considered not wolfy.
Phonemelter 说:
Vote on me for silly "you asked for it" reason.
Vote on Vieira odd despite the reasoning.
Vote on Frisian I suspect because Frisian was not voting how Xardob wanted him to vote.
Explained (twice) by Xardob previously as blackmail. Verified when I changed my vote from Soot to Eli; Xardob chose to immediately switch back to Eli and use the impetus to push his main target, showing he had no real desire to lynch Pizza (because that is where he would have kept his vote if he wanted Pizza lynched).
You'll recall Xardob also voted DeltaK on Day 1 yesterday despite thinking she was innocent. So like I said, not particularly out of character for Xardob.
"yesterday" being "last game", of course.
I've apparently reached the stage where I am now thinking of RL days in terms of how many games ago it was
I've apparently reached the stage where I am now thinking of RL days in terms of how many games ago it was
Blackmail not an effective means of persuasion for me.
If you have a cultural bias against inactive players and/or often vote based on how others are voting, I'm probably going to look like a strange cat to you.
I'm a talkative player who has gotten over policy lynches of inactive players a long time ago and I consider it to be poor. Most of the time it is an innocent, probably greater than random, not less than. Better ways to handle the slot in a game with powers anyway.
Sometimes the lynch here is a wolf. If so, it's probably not going to result in another wolf lynch the next day, and it will be very tough to read for who their partner is since they interacted very little.
I have plenty of players here reading me scum if Eli flips wolf, that's step one in what will probably be a nice line of mislynches, because you started with the wolf that is the hardest to read for partners.
Lynching Magorian would have blown this game to itty bitty bits if he's a wolf. Lynching ME would have blown this game to pieces if I were a wolf, which I am not.
The order of operations matter. One wolf is worth far more dead than another, even if they have the same role, because of how it impacts people's reads of the game.
This is my outsider perspective and it comes from a different cultural mindset. Maybe your meta is superior for your group of players, thus, your meta is better for your meta, to be intentionally redundant.
But I would frown on village if they generated this much potential spew on several players and then specifically went for the one that generated the least amount of information regardless of flip.
Also, if the meta here is that wolves play inactive when they're not, ewww. I'll let them have such a win, and just not play with them very much after that. That's downright unsporting and hella boring.
I tried that once. I had a good RL reason to not be active, and when I was online, I couldn't break my lurking or else it would draw suspicion. And it was boring as all hell. And I frown greatly on such a strategy.
First wolves hide by being inactive, then village powers do to avoid the murder, then villagers do to try to give the village powers cover.
And then the game is insufferably boring.
I'd rather play with active players I'm not working well with who don't get along with me very well, than play against inactive player slots who aren't actually inactive.
It's a social game.
SOCIAL game.
Socialize. Like, Magorian is a wolf 90 percent of the time here, and a villager I suck at reading 10 percent of the time, but he's always, always, always someone I have enjoyed playing with, 100 percent of the time.
Eli might have RL reasons not to play. If he doesn't, he's someone I enjoyed playing with zero percent of the time this game.
And I mean that, even if I were his wolf partner, it obviously doesn't spare you from the lynch, and would have made you a useless partner of mine if I were a wolf. I'm not, so I can say this freely. It's not likely going to impact the half of the game that is scum reading me incorrectly anyway, so I can be quite liberal in my condemnation of that strategy as a chosen strategy if you're a wolf, Eli.
If you are a village power and did it deliberately, just as bad, and I would be seriously disappointed in both you and my village.
If you are a normal villager and did it deliberately, you basically signed up and ignored the game. And drew suspicion. And didn't help find a wolf. How is that playing the game?
There is no scenario where doing this deliberately is good for the game, or my opinion of you as a player. Hope your RL turns around soon and that your absence isnt the result of anything serious. Also this is just a game so dont take these comments too much to heart even if you did choose to be inactive on purpose.
Just disappointed and frustrated with my village right now, and furthermore, I feel the next day is going to be a pizza lynch, and all the folks I've accused who are wolves are going to skate this game.
That will frustrate me, but it's part of the game, so I'm not going to take it personally.
Maximand lynch is never happening this game, that much is clear. If he's a wolf you've lost, and lost big time, because he was that obviously a wolf.
So, Sootshade tomorrow. Pharaoh is the only person who made a believable case that someone was a wolf today. I scold myself this much in that I should have kept my vote there and been more of a team player and less of a glory hunter.
That was MY mistake this round.
Also misread this village. I felt your priorities were more in sync with my own. Need to re-evaluate.
If you have a cultural bias against inactive players and/or often vote based on how others are voting, I'm probably going to look like a strange cat to you.
I'm a talkative player who has gotten over policy lynches of inactive players a long time ago and I consider it to be poor. Most of the time it is an innocent, probably greater than random, not less than. Better ways to handle the slot in a game with powers anyway.
Sometimes the lynch here is a wolf. If so, it's probably not going to result in another wolf lynch the next day, and it will be very tough to read for who their partner is since they interacted very little.
I have plenty of players here reading me scum if Eli flips wolf, that's step one in what will probably be a nice line of mislynches, because you started with the wolf that is the hardest to read for partners.
Lynching Magorian would have blown this game to itty bitty bits if he's a wolf. Lynching ME would have blown this game to pieces if I were a wolf, which I am not.
The order of operations matter. One wolf is worth far more dead than another, even if they have the same role, because of how it impacts people's reads of the game.
This is my outsider perspective and it comes from a different cultural mindset. Maybe your meta is superior for your group of players, thus, your meta is better for your meta, to be intentionally redundant.
But I would frown on village if they generated this much potential spew on several players and then specifically went for the one that generated the least amount of information regardless of flip.
Also, if the meta here is that wolves play inactive when they're not, ewww. I'll let them have such a win, and just not play with them very much after that. That's downright unsporting and hella boring.
I tried that once. I had a good RL reason to not be active, and when I was online, I couldn't break my lurking or else it would draw suspicion. And it was boring as all hell. And I frown greatly on such a strategy.
First wolves hide by being inactive, then village powers do to avoid the murder, then villagers do to try to give the village powers cover.
And then the game is insufferably boring.
I'd rather play with active players I'm not working well with who don't get along with me very well, than play against inactive player slots who aren't actually inactive.
It's a social game.
SOCIAL game.
Socialize. Like, Magorian is a wolf 90 percent of the time here, and a villager I suck at reading 10 percent of the time, but he's always, always, always someone I have enjoyed playing with, 100 percent of the time.
Eli might have RL reasons not to play. If he doesn't, he's someone I enjoyed playing with zero percent of the time this game.
And I mean that, even if I were his wolf partner, it obviously doesn't spare you from the lynch, and would have made you a useless partner of mine if I were a wolf. I'm not, so I can say this freely. It's not likely going to impact the half of the game that is scum reading me incorrectly anyway, so I can be quite liberal in my condemnation of that strategy as a chosen strategy if you're a wolf, Eli.
If you are a village power and did it deliberately, just as bad, and I would be seriously disappointed in both you and my village.
If you are a normal villager and did it deliberately, you basically signed up and ignored the game. And drew suspicion. And didn't help find a wolf. How is that playing the game?
There is no scenario where doing this deliberately is good for the game, or my opinion of you as a player. Hope your RL turns around soon and that your absence isnt the result of anything serious. Also this is just a game so dont take these comments too much to heart even if you did choose to be inactive on purpose.
Just disappointed and frustrated with my village right now, and furthermore, I feel the next day is going to be a pizza lynch, and all the folks I've accused who are wolves are going to skate this game.
That will frustrate me, but it's part of the game, so I'm not going to take it personally.
Maximand lynch is never happening this game, that much is clear. If he's a wolf you've lost, and lost big time, because he was that obviously a wolf.
So, Sootshade tomorrow. Pharaoh is the only person who made a believable case that someone was a wolf today. I scold myself this much in that I should have kept my vote there and been more of a team player and less of a glory hunter.
That was MY mistake this round.
Also misread this village. I felt your priorities were more in sync with my own. Need to re-evaluate.
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
But how do you know if he was being serious or not? Motives unclear.
The reason at the time was voting was definitely not clear because he made no comments on if he even found him suspicious.
"Because you suspect" he did X for Y reason does not mean the intent was clear. It's another vote with zero explanation at the time.
That was much later.
How to you know that, especially with a post like this? With Vieira saying he was more suspicious of Pizza, Soot willing to move his vote over if Kronic wasn't going to happen, and Frisian being a huge enigma, it was not clear if it was Kronic or Pizza who was going to be the one lynched. Xardob did not switch over to Kronic until you switched to him, when it looked like that is the direction it was going to swing. I would hardly say he "pushed" anything regarding Kronic given the circumstances.
Giant thumbs up for that post about activity, Pizza. This is a social game, and anyone who isn't posting simply isn't playing.
You may suck at reading me or inventing a case if you're a wolf, but your attitude is spot on.
You may suck at reading me or inventing a case if you're a wolf, but your attitude is spot on.
